Piracy

[Asmor]

but following laws IS moral

That's just a plain silly statement. Law and morality share a certain intersection, but lawful does not imply moral and moral does not imply lawful.

E.g. Segregation was legally mandated in the United States, but that's certainly not morally conscionable now and it wasn't back then, either. Ditto for slavery before that.

 

[Halivar]

That's just a plain silly statement. Law and morality share a certain intersection, but lawful does not imply moral and moral does not imply lawful.

Following an immoral law is, in and of itself, immoral.

That said, a law telling you not to copy IP is not immoral. Inconvenient? Yes. Silly? Perhaps even so. But not immoral.

The moral and ethical question here is this: are you willing to break amoral (not immoral) laws simply because you feel like it? In this case the morality is not in the law itself, but rather in how you respond to it.

 

[Echohawk]

IBecause of my experiences with the 2E scans, I am reluctant to purchase any 3E or 4E PDFs as the cost is much higher and I have no clue what the quality is.

Xyxox, I can't speak for the 3e PDFs, since I don't have any of those, but the 4e PDFs are things of pristine beauty compared to many of the 2e scans. Don't let your experience with the 2e scans put you off buying the more recent PDFs. They are far superior to what you'd get making your own scanned copies.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

E.g. Segregation was legally mandated in the United States, but that's certainly not morally conscionable now and it wasn't back then, either. Ditto for slavery before that.

apples and oranges... seriesly...are you try to compair unfair laws that are harmful and prejadice and the fight of people to be treated as equals with getting free books...

halivar is better with words on these forms then me so I will start with this:

Following an immoral law is, in and of itself, immoral.

That said, a law telling you not to copy IP is not immoral. Inconvenient? Yes. Silly? Perhaps even so. But not immoral.

The moral and ethical question here is this: are you willing to break amoral (not immoral) laws simply because you feel like it? In this case the morality is not in the law itself, but rather in how you respond to it.

now I will say if you want to talk about immoral laws start a new thread...this is about a law you don't like...there is a big diffrence...you are trying to say becuse I think it is wrong to steal from a bank I also think we should chop off a guys arm for stealing bread becuse his children are starving...


If someone would like to show a REAL argument why you should get for free something that is being charged for I will respond...but this BS about slavery and Segregation is nothing more then a strawman...

If there was a law saying I had to kill all babies a family have if they have more then 1 I would be the first guy leading the revult...If I was told the new law was that all men have the right to take a woman and rape her when ever they want...You bet I would be against it...any other stupid things you want to compair to
STEALING BOOKS!!!!!!

just to make sure we are all clear here WotC sells PDFs of those books...you are getting for free from an illigal source what WotC sells...

 

[Shadowsong666]

apples and oranges...

are you talking about apples and oranges who quoted the NRA? Seriously...

Well i hope you protest about the death sentences in the US 100x compared to the energy you invest in this discussion here, as it is a trillion times more immoral then "stealing" IP.

I think all know that downloading a 4e pdf which you have not bought is bad, but in the end it all sums up about what you did after you did that thing. 8% did the wrong thing - the rest is ok with me. And as i am the one dictating myself whats moral and not - i can sleep like a baby.

 

[Asmor]

apples and oranges... seriesly...are you try to compair unfair laws that are harmful and prejadice and the fight of people to be treated as equals with getting free books...

Please show me where in that comment I said anything at all about PDFs. All I was doing was pointing out that what is legal is not necessarily moral. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Please show me where in that comment I said anything at all about PDFs. All I was doing was pointing out that what is legal is not necessarily moral. Nothing more, nothing less.

you took my quite on the topic of piracy, in a thread about piracy and then compaired it too very bad things...now you at no point said it wasn't about piracy or PDFs...and that is what is being discussed...so seriesly...I wish I knew that I had to assume you would take my statements on this or that topic (so far pot, prostitution, and Piracy) and dare compair it to slavery...

 

[rgard]

I honestly can't believe some of what I have read in this thread. I voted the 'Never' pirated option.

The 4e pdfs are for sale here:

DriveThruRPG.com - The Largest RPG Download Store!

If you want a 4e pdf, how about buying one?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Shades of Green]

I didn't pirate it and didn't buy it either. After reading some reviews about 4E I felt that it didn't fit my gaming style so I downloaded BFRPG for free (legally!) and I'm having a blast.

 

[Asmor]

you took my quite on the topic of piracy, in a thread about piracy and then compaired it too very bad things...now you at no point said it wasn't about piracy or PDFs...and that is what is being discussed...so seriesly...I wish I knew that I had to assume you would take my statements on this or that topic (so far pot, prostitution, and Piracy) and dare compair it to slavery...

You said, "Following laws IS moral." You didn't say "Following copyright laws is moral." Once more, I only debunked what you said.

Please say what you mean and read what I write.

I honestly can't believe some of what I have read in this thread. I voted the 'Never' pirated option.

The 4e pdfs are for sale here:

DriveThruRPG.com - The Largest RPG Download Store!

If you want a 4e pdf, how about buying one?

Thanks,
Rich

I bought the books. Why should I pay twice?