Placing a Wall of Fire

Well, in my world at least, passing from one edge of a square to the opposite edge - even along the border - counts as "through". I can see where another interpretation might be drawn, but if both are feasible and the diagram text clearly supports the one interpretation over the other then the correct choice is obvious.
 

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Nail said:
And give the "text trumps tables" rules, it's probably true that "text trumps diagram text".
That is usually how it goes.

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Ki Ryn said:
Well, in my world at least, passing from one edge of a square to the opposite edge - even along the border - counts as "through". I can see where another interpretation might be drawn, but if both are feasible and the diagram text clearly supports the one interpretation over the other then the correct choice is obvious.
Then in your world does the greeen archer in the example below have his shot suffer from cover? That is just one example of how the rules draw distinctions between going through a square and going through the square's border.

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Cover

To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).


Overall I agree with you that line should affect the squares that it touches or passes through, if only to make Lightning bolt less of a second fiddle to Fireball's huge area and long range. But I do believe the rules read othewise thanks to the rules trumping examples precedent.
 
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This is still bugging me! {BTW, I'm now agreeing lines do use the "effect squares it passes through or touches"]

Paint-Fu to the rescue!

Anything official on how one places a Wall of fire onto the battlefield? In general, I’d hazard a guess these spells ”might” follow the rules for lines, but it looks like a few questions pop up even with that ‘line’ of reasoning.

Wall of fire said:
One side of the wall, selected by you, sends forth waves of heat, dealing 2d4 points of fire damage to creatures within 10 feet and 1d4 points of fire damage to those past 10 feet but within 20 feet. The wall deals this damage when it appears and on your turn each round to all creatures in the area. In addition, the wall deals 2d6 points of fire damage +1 point of fire damage per caster level (maximum +20) to any creature passing through it. The wall deals double damage to undead creatures.

If you evoke the wall so that it appears where creatures are, each creature takes damage as if passing through the wall.

Shooting the ‘line’ down between squares on a grid A, B, C or D?


A: The Line counts the squares it touches as being in the wall of fire, but only does damage in one direction. The squares affected by the heat of the wall have their distance counted from the squares ’’on fire’

B. The Line counts the squares it touches as being in the wall of fire, but the heat only extends in one direction. The squares affected by the heat of the wall have their distance counted from the squares ’’on fire’

C: The Line counts the squares it touches as being in the wall of fire, but only does damage in one direction. The squares affected by the heat of the wall have their distance counted from the Line that made the wall of fire.

D: The Line counts the squares it actually passes though. as being in the wall of fire. The squares affected by the heat of the wall have their distance counted from the Line that made the wall of fire.

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1. Count heat distance from the squares the line passed through

2. Count heat distance including the square being burned.

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Now the radii version is actually simpler in one way since that locks it's placement, unlike a line. exact distance from the centerand no way to cut into a medium creatures space. But still, i'm still not sure which of these are right.

 

Heh. I remember the 'line' being introduced in 3.5 (particularly wrt lightning bolt) and all of a sudden a spell area which had been trouble free in 3.0 became fraught with problems as people wrestled with how it should work on a grid!

An additional wrinkle on placement for full damage. if there is a wall of fire which partially bisects a grid square, can Medium or Small people 'squeeze' into that area, fight at a disadvantage yet avoid actually stepping into the roaring flame? You'd think that they would be motivated to do so, certainly!
 

Hey folks, I know this topic has been down the list for a while, but I recently acquired Wall of Perilous Flame as an invocation for my warlock, and it's great! We're playing the Shackled City campaign, and faced a dracolich in a large cavern where I was able to wreak some damage with carefully placed walls of flame.

In doing my placement, I was able to convince the DM that since the wall of flame description didn't specifically state that the wall must be anchored to anything, I could conjure it in midair if I desired. I've been reviewing the various wall descriptions, and some of them (ice, stone) do talk about being anchored (or attached, or something similar), while wall of fire and wall of force mention nothing of it. Since both those walls are essentially weightless, I don't really see a problem with how they're placed (ground vs. sky) but since then campaign went on summer hiatus I've been thinking about it, and wondered if anyone else had had any experiences with this situation, and how you resolved it.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts! :)
 


Thanks Frank, seem like I'm ok with what I'm reading there. Nice to have the reassurance tho. :)

Can I just say how much FUN a warlock can be to play? :D
 

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