D&D (2024) Player's Handbook 2024 Table of Contents

Ted from Nerd immersion has shared the Table of Contents for the new Player's Handbook:

@Morrus @darjr

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I've seen it done that way as well. The key there is that they did pick a god and if it was from 3e-5e, they picked it from the PHB unless it was a homebrew game.

I've never said nobody can do it. I said multiple times that I should not be forced to make one absent a god and that I should be able to make a complete cleric which includes a god using only the PHB. I've also said that absent gods in the PHB that the PHB is incomplete and the cleric class is incomplete. This is also true.

There aren't any named Warlock Patrons in the PHB either, are there? Who PCs specifically work for is campaign specific.

I get why you don't like it (it wasn't done this way before) but I also get what the Designers appear to be going for here.

It's just a change as to where these things are presented. It's still something that exists.

 

[Maxperson]

arguable an immortal being also just is

Sure, but the point I'm making is that they are still beings, not unintelligent forces of nature.

 

[Maxperson]

There aren't any named Warlock Patrons in the PHB either, are there? Who PCs specifically work for is campaign specific.

I get why you don't like it (it wasn't done this way before) but I also get what the Designers appear to be going for here.

It's just a change as to where these things are presented. It's still something that exists.

Warlocks are not the same as clerics, despite the similarity in having a "patron." A warlock can make a bargain with a mid level demon, devil, fey or whatever. It CAN be a being that is godlike in power, but doesn't have to be. You don't need every name of every mid rank or higher demon, devil, fey, old one, etc. in the PHB. You can't do it.

Clerics worship gods, though, and those are finite and known for the big four settings. It's trivial to list them in a few pages in the PHB.

 

[Parmandur]

Sure, but the point I'm making is that they are still beings, not unintelligent forces of nature.

Who says nature has to be unintelligent...?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Warlocks are not the same as clerics, despite the similarity in having a "patron." A warlock can make a bargain with a mid level demon, devil, fey or whatever. It CAN be a being that is godlike in power, but doesn't have to be. You don't need every name of every mid rank or higher demon, devil, fey, old one, etc. in the PHB. You can't do it.

Clerics worship gods, though, and those are finite and known for the big four settings. It's trivial to list them in a few pages in the PHB.

They are not the same in the fiction, no - but they are the same to the game: A named source of a PCs power who may or may not ever feature in a game, or may "just" be fluff.

I put just in quotes because I don't think there is anything "just" about fluff. It's important. But again, it's campaign specific and campaigns are a DMs prerogative.

Anecdotally aside, I have never had a Cleric's god feature in any campaign, whereas I absolutely have had Warlock's patrons show up. Seems to me that they are at LEAST as "important" (though neither HAVE to be in the PHB, though both could.)

By your own admission, the gods in the PHB would not be an exhaustive list. Neither would Patrons need to be. Just examples.

 

[WanderingMystic]

Forgotten Realms: 50 gods +20 old gods, + gods from other parts of Faerun for about 100. Dragonlance 21 gods. Greyhawk listed as over 100 although most of those are minor I would drop it down to 40ish.

 

[Nikosandros]

Feel the thread should be updated with a better picture of the ToC. This is from the Beyond Marketplace.

I've been unable to find the ToC on DDB. Which page has it?

Whereas I can see the Itialian one. I mean come on, just cause I am in Europe.

That's weird. As far as I know, the Italian PHB is no longer for sale. I have it in my library, but I bought it a long time ago.

 

[mamba]

Warlocks are not the same as clerics, despite the similarity in having a "patron." A warlock can make a bargain with a mid level demon, devil, fey or whatever.

these are not in the PHB either though

 

[UngainlyTitan]

I've been unable to find the ToC on DDB. Which page has it?


That's weird. As far as I know, the Italian PHB is no longer for sale. I have it in my library, but I bought it a long time ago.

From DnDBeyond Market page

 

[Nikosandros]

From DnDBeyond Market page

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OK, I was confused, because the post that you were replying to mentioned the Marketplace. That screenshot is from the "Sources" page, if I'm not mistaken.