D&D (2024) Player's Handbook 2024 Table of Contents

Ted from Nerd immersion has shared the Table of Contents for the new Player's Handbook:

@Morrus @darjr

 

[Yaarel]

Why would you assume that a force which isn't an entity is an entity? A force is like gravity, a force of nature(earthquakes, storms, etc.) or some other natural power that you can tap into, but isn't a being.

A force is an "entity".

Here are definitions of "entity".

1. (Philosophy) something having real or distinct existence; a thing, esp when considered as independent of other things
2. existence or being
3. the essence or real nature


Especially in the context of Astral paradigms, thought constructs, and information structures, a "cosmic force" is an entity.

 

[Maxperson]

A force is an "entity".

Here are definitions of "entity".

1. (Philosophy) something having real or distinct existence; a thing, esp when considered as independent of other things
2. existence or being
3. the essence or real nature


Especially in the context of Astral paradigms, thought constructs, and information structures, a "cosmic force" is an entity.

Sure. If you are dealing only with entity the broad term with no other qualifiers. The sticking point which negates what you are arguing is the "immortal" part. Only living beings are immortal. A cosmic force is not mortal or immortal. It just is. Like gravity.

 

[Yaarel]

Sure. If you are dealing only with entity the broad term with no other qualifiers. The sticking point which negates what you are arguing is the "immortal" part. Only living beings are immortal. A cosmic force is not mortal or immortal. It just is. Like gravity.

"Immortal" = Astral Plane

"Immortal entity" = Astral force

 

[doctorhook]

Interesting order. I will have to get used to the new layout. I guess I appreciate the main rules at the beginning. Should be easier to look up than rules in the middle of the book. And no "Appendix N" type list of inspirational reading. Am I the only one who likes lists of books?

The kids don’t read books anymore, grandpa! There should probably be an Appendix T listing some inspirational TikToks though. /sarcasm

 

[Stalker0]

Who is forcing you to do anything? The gods will be in the DMG. RAW, you don't need a god. I don't get the angst here at all.

It feels like in many other ways the PHB has gone out of its way to include a PC would want for their character, including backgrounds and the like. They even have certain beasts in the PHB so that druids and the like can select them.

Especially for clerics, many of them are going to want a god. Just because mechanically you don't need a god doesn't mean its not a core element for many characters. So it seems a strange ommission to me.

Now I would be fine with a basic blurb for each god. Something simple like.

Pelor: NG, god of the sun

And then the DMG gives you the full monty pantheon with details and descriptions and rites and all the in depth stuff. But even just a basic list to choose from would be nice.

And heck many dnd adventuers do reference the gods. Wouldn't it be nice when the players find that holy relic to pelor that their book at least gives them the basics on who that god is?

 

[Maxperson]

"Immortal" = Astral Plane

"Immortal entity" = Astral force

If you want to homebrew it that way. Immortal in common parlance and how D&D uses it requires a living being. Mortals and immortals. Forces are forces, not living or mortal/immortal.

 

[WanderingMystic]

Pelor: NG, god of the sun

And then the DMG gives you the full monty pantheon with details and descriptions and rites and all the in depth stuff. But even just a basic list to choose from would be nice.

And heck many dnd adventuers do reference the gods. Wouldn't it be nice when the players find that holy relic to pelor that their book at least gives them the basics on who that god is?

One of the things they said was going to be in the DMG was list of important people, places, that have happened and/or are used throughout D&D's history. This will probably include many gods from Forgotten Realms.

In the Greyhawk setting part of the DMG there will be the Greyhawk pantheon. In the Dragonlance book there is a section about the Dragonlance gods. This information is given to players but not in the PHB because the PHB is more setting neutral.

One of the things that Chris said when he started talking about the 2024 rules is that they were approached as if it was all one book, that they just had to break it up into sections. At first I didn't really think about some of the problems this might create and once all of the books are out I doubt many of these concerns will still exist. For now however we don't know about passive checks because those are DM centric, we don't know about how a DM can adjust or set different DC's, detailed information about how some checks work. We can't even create our own backgrounds or pick gods from a random list. The reason is they are expecting the DM to be there for a lot of this process. The DM will tell you what gods exist in the world you are playing in and give you that information. The DM will look over backgrounds to see if they make sense for the game world and if you want to make changes to one expect you to run them by them. More information about exploration and social interactions is supposed to be in the DMG.

Honestly they should have not staggered the releases like they did or should have at least has a small rules primer ready for when they released the PHB into the wild so that this would not have happened.

 

[MNblockhead]

Because I need a god to complete the character. Can't be completed with the 2024 PHB.

A character is more than mechanics. Background is fluff. It's in the PHB. I guarantee you that racial fluff will be in there. You aren't going see just the name Elf and then elf mechanics with nothing else. Class fluff will be there as well. You can't argue that the PHB is mechanics only when there is a ton of fluff in it.

Even if they put Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, Dragon Lance gods in the PHP, you still would not be able to complete your character from the PHP in my campaign that is not run in any of those settings.

It is enough to say that "what god a character prays to is up to the player and is generally chosen from either a selection of gods common to the setting played."

 

[Maxperson]

Even if they put Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, Dragon Lance gods in the PHP, you still would not be able to complete your character from the PHP in my campaign that is not run in any of those settings.

That's why I said that it's best to put those in the book. And why I said that it wouldn't help with homebrew games. It WOULD however, help with the vast majority of games that play in WotC settings, which is why they should be in the PHB.

You can't do much about homebrew, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do something about the non-homebrew games.

 

[Parmandur]

That's why I said that it's best to put those in the book. And why I said that it wouldn't help with homebrew games. It WOULD however, help with the vast majority of games that play in WotC settings, which is why they should be in the PHB.

You can't do much about homebrew, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do something about the non-homebrew games.

Most games are homebrew...?