D&D 5E Player's Handbook Alpha *Spoilers*

Moving away from the trap vs. non-trap discussion, I'm not entirely convinced that the beast master ranger is inferior. A beast master ranger can use a bow and mow people down with archery spells just like a giant slayer ranger can. It's more a question of whether you want the utility granted by the pet (knocking people down, granting disadvantage to their attacks or granting advantage and extra damage to yours) vs. a more static bonus like +d6 damage on certain attacks.

You know the Hunter gets four big bonus abilities, not just +1d6 or the like, right? Volley alone (which is an AT WILL, note) blows "archery spells" into the long grass.

If the Beast Master didn't have so many restrictions on how his pet can act, he'd be a lot more impressive.
 
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From what I understand, there is no "Read Magic" cantrip or spell in the Alpha, and having read the Starter and Basic PDF, there wasn't a listed Read Magic spell in those, either.

Does that mean they have done away with Read Magic altogether in 5E?
 

From what I understand, there is no "Read Magic" cantrip or spell in the Alpha, and having read the Starter and Basic PDF, there wasn't a listed Read Magic spell in those, either.

Does that mean they have done away with Read Magic altogether in 5E?

Hmmm. Comprehend Languages still refers to it, but maybe, or maybe it's an oversight.
 


A fair point, but I think volley is not as good as it might appear because you get it around the time you start getting several attacks a round. Spreading out your damage vs. many enemies is often not as good as focus firing multiple shots into one. I'm sure it will be useful at times but it's situational.

The beast master ranger's abilities on the other hand becomes better as he gets multiple attacks. They can now get their utility while only giving up a small amount of their own damage. It also gives better potential synergy with the hunter's own attacks. For example at the cost of a single attack a panther can pounce, knock the enemy prone while doing damage, attack again doing more damage, and then give the ranger advantage with the remainder of his own attacks. That's likely to be a substantial increase in expected damage potential compared to just attacking, even ignoring the further benefits it gives to the rest of the party.

You know the Hunter gets four big bonus abilities, not just +1d6 or the like, right? Volley alone (which is an AT WILL, note) blows "archery spells" into the long grass.

If the Beast Master didn't have so many restrictions on how his pet can act, he'd be a lot more impressive.
 

Something ironic with the Fey Knight aka Oath of Ancients is you can't choose a fey mount, even though it fits the flavour, because you have a channel divinity ability that turns not just fiends, but fey as well, so if you have a fey mount you'll turn it with that power! Same with fiend, so your mount has to be Celestial.

Something else I noticed is a level 14 conjurer can use rituals to summon unseen servants, as many as he wants, and they all get 30 temp hps.

As for Volley it doesn't blow the archery spells out of the water, because it has a small area of effect, 10 squared. The other spells have much larger areas of effect. Volley's still good.

And one of the uses of the ranger pets is scouting, the pather is a great scout for example.

A clever person can do some cool stuff with thier animal companions.

Edit, I hope they listed the animal companions speed, because it doesn't actually say how many feet they can go in a turn.
 
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The people talking about it are talking about it and therefore interested. Even if, like me, they aren't going to buy it new for whatever reason (in my case there are two names in the credits I don't want my money supporting).

Does that mean you would buy and play 5e, if the two persons were not listed as consultants? Really?
 

A fair point, but I think volley is not as good as it might appear because you get it around the time you start getting several attacks a round. Spreading out your damage vs. many enemies is often not as good as focus firing multiple shots into one. I'm sure it will be useful at times but it's situational.

The beast master ranger's abilities on the other hand becomes better as he gets multiple attacks. They can now get their utility while only giving up a small amount of their own damage. It also gives better potential synergy with the hunter's own attacks. For example at the cost of a single attack a panther can pounce, knock the enemy prone while doing damage, attack again doing more damage, and then give the ranger advantage with the remainder of his own attacks. That's likely to be a substantial increase in expected damage potential compared to just attacking, even ignoring the further benefits it gives to the rest of the party.

Can you show me some math to back this assertion up? I mean, I admit I may be being dumb and missing something! :)

It looks like you have to be 11th level to do that, drop one of your two attacks, which are likely Prof+(STR or DEX)+Magic bonus to hit and 1d8 or higher +Prof+(STR or DEX)+Magic bonus to damage, let's lowball and say 18 stat, +1 1d8 magic weapon. So +9 to hit, 1d8+9 damage.

Panther is +7 to hit, 1d6+4 damage, causes KD, then +7 to hit, 1d6+6 damage. Let's assume AC20 for a tough single target enemy.

No-feature Ranger is thus 50% chance to hit each w/two attacks averaging 4.5+9 damage, so 13.5 DPR

Beastie is 50% chance with one, so 6.75 + 40% chance of 3.5+4 = 3 + 40% chance of 3.5+6 = 3.8 so DPR = 13.55!

0.05 gain in DPR for Beastie, w/a 40% chance of KD.

However in any situation where Volley applies, a Hunter is waaaay ahead. Also if any of his other features apply (i.e. 1d6 to damaged targets, double prof to hit large, etc.)...
 

Does that mean you would buy and play 5e, if the two persons were not listed as consultants? Really?

I almost certainly will play 5e at some point. I'm currently playing Pathfinder - and I consider 5e much better designed than PF.

Whether I'd buy it otherwise? Probably. Unless I decide to reverse course and take a lot of D&D books of all editions since Holmes to the charity shop because they are clogging up my bookshelves. And I'll probably buy it eventually - second hand.
 

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