Players wanting to become infected with Lycanthrope

I agree with Sammael's advice, for the most part. As the DM, you shouldn't make changes to PC rules without giving them advance notice. However, you're perfectly free to invent new spells, monsters, and magic items, and to change a module beyond all recognition.

In this case, you would have been well within your rights to decide that the wererat that bit the PC was a new monster of your own invention whose disease worked in a different fashion. When a player has the amazing gall to tell you how a monster works, whether or not you've changed the monster from the MM, the correct response is to look at the player blankly and say, "Excuse me?" Make it clear that their PC may persist in denying the monster's behavior, but that doing so indicates that the PC has lapsed into a hallucinatory fugue -- you as the DM have described accurately how the monster is acting, and PCs ignore it at their peril.

You had no duty to tell the player how lycanthropy worked ahead of time. Here's how it would have played out IMC:

Ratguy: When I change, I go down to the temple and attack the priestess.
Me: Okay. Anyone want to do anything before nightfall?
Everyone: Nope (or "I do this random stuff which we resolve quickly.")
Me: The sun sets, the moon rises, I give a little bit of scene-setting detail (the smell of the barn they're in, the calling of owls, or whatever). You, you, and you (no, not you, Mr. soon-to-be-a-wererat), roll spot checks. Those of you who rolled 15 or better see a horrible transformation take place: your evil companion, the one who was rolling around in wererat guts last week, is sprouting fur! growing whiskers! His nose is elongating! His fingernails harden into claws! He begins to shrink! Within moments, a rat the size and appearance of an ungroomed Shih Tzu crouches before you -- and then it leaps, squeaking and frothing, at your throat, Mr. Wizard! Everyone roll for initiative.
Ratguy: No! I told you, I go attack the priestess!
Me: Actually, all conscious thought has fled your mind, and you're filled with an overwhelming rage at all life around you. I'm gonna play your PC for now; I'll let you know when you regain control. [If I trusted you, I'd let you play the rat as an insane creature who attacks whoever's closest to him, but I don't trust you to follow those guidelines].
Ratguy: This sucks!
Me: We'll discuss the rules aspect of it after the session, if you want. What did everyone roll for initiative?
Ratguy: You're a crappy DM!
Me: You need to leave the room if you can't keep quiet. There's a battle to run here.

Note that you don't need to pull out the description of lycanthropy here: the disease's parameters are in the MM, a DM sourcebook and subject to DM change. Unless a PC is a world expert on lycanthropy, he wouldn't know the disease's exact parameters; even an expert on it wouldn't know whether he was infected with standard lycanthropy or some strange variant.

It's your world they've chosen to play in. You get to design it. They get to play their PCs, unless some other force in the world takes over the PC's will. In this case, a force has done so.

It sounds to me like you're right to get rid of that guy. If there are other players in the group who are decent, worthwhile players, you may want to go to them individually and apologize for your outburst, ask them if they'd like to set up a new group, and be willing to work with you.

Good luck!
Daniel
 

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Outlanders said:
Typical... Ah well, a bad experience is now complete, I'll learn from it, and try to find another group, hopefully the next one will turn out better than this one did.

All the best,
Chris

My advice on this is to edit your profile and indicate in which town, state, country, universe you live and then ask for players here on the board. With 10.000 members, there's bound to be a few in your vicinity !
 

Pielorinho said:

You had no duty to tell the player how lycanthropy worked ahead of time. Here's how it would have played out IMC:

<snip excellent rundown>

Note that you don't need to pull out the description of lycanthropy here: the disease's parameters are in the MM, a DM sourcebook and subject to DM change. Unless a PC is a world expert on lycanthropy, he wouldn't know the disease's exact parameters; even an expert on it wouldn't know whether he was infected with standard lycanthropy or some strange variant.

It's your world they've chosen to play in. You get to design it. They get to play their PCs, unless some other force in the world takes over the PC's will. In this case, a force has done so.

Daniel

Except for the part about the guy turning into a rat that looks like an ungroomed Shih Tzu (he'd be about twice that size), I wholly concur with Daniel's suggestion of the best way to handle the situation.

Unless this guy is wading in bardic knowledge, it's very unlikely he'd know exactly how lycanthropy works -- and as Daniel said, there's nothing stopping you from creating different forms of lycanthropy (though in this case you can just follow the book completely and have everything work out wonderfully).

I have to say that I'm a bit confused here:

Oh, and to top it off, the next thing that happened was that after they both failed, and turned, the next day, the ended up biting the rest of the party, so that all of a sudden, they have a pack of six were-rats.

So the party intentionally turned into a bunch of wererats, even though they were good-aligned? There were no clerics (who would lose all spell-levels at that point) or paladins? And were they really stupid enough to think that it was a GOOD thing to be an untrained wererat?

I mean, I can see it now -- they're adventuring, they get hurt, they can't make the nutty DC20 Will save and so they all turn into little dire rats without any armor, and get slaughtered by their foes. This does not strike me as a Good Idea.

In one way, it's a shame the campaign is over with -- you really could have shown them the error of their ways :). But you made the right decision, of course.
 

Forrester

You, as well as Pielorinho, were so right. I should have kept my trap shut, but, I hate people who try to control my game, and I tend to let my temper get the better of me at times.

Forrester, yuppers, I asked the group, why aren't you playing your alignment. The mage said that he was going to change his alignment from whatever good it was to lawful evil...

No one else seemed to care, despite being good.

And, no, the party members were all either 2nd or 3rd level, so no cure disease yet.

And, of course not, the guy was playing a character with one level of fighter, and two levels of cleric, with no bardic knowledge what so ever. His excuse was that gee, lycanthrope is very common in the realms, so he would know about that. I asked him if he had arcane knowledge about it, or wilderness lore (hey, I did say I was still knew at 3rd, right?). Of course, he had a couple of ranks in arcane knowledge through his cleric class. Ok, sure, whatever.

Sammael99

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Pielorinho

Unfortunatly, we were playing at the guy's place, so it was kind of hard for me to kick him out. Although, some friends that I've discussed this with, well, they suggest that I just invite the other players over to my place and just leave that twit out. I think that I might just do that.

Although, come to think of it, if they're so willing to switch alignment, and follow the lead of the twit, I honestly don't know if I want to continue with these particular players, know what I mean?

Anyhow, thanks again for the suggestions, and the support. Good to see people who actually care about situations like this.

Chris
 

Outlanders said:

Although, come to think of it, if they're so willing to switch alignment, and follow the lead of the twit, I honestly don't know if I want to continue with these particular players, know what I mean?

I gotta agree with that. If none of them came to your defense, or supported you against the twit, an invite isn't exactly in order.

Can I ask how old y'all are?
 

Forrester:

Well, I guess that in the case of two of the players, they're always quite anyhow, and don't really say all that much...

I've contacted the one guy that I did like, and offered to run Dragonstar for him, and the other two, if they were interested, just to spite the twit that angered me as much as he has.

The guy I contacted is VERY interested, as he did enjoy my style, despite being a new GM (hey, helps that I write), so he's going to check with several of the other people who used to play with this guy, but quit because of him.

Then, tonight, when I was stopped at a store, I met another friend who I used to play Vampire and several other games with for a couple of years, and both he and his girlfriend are interested in joining as well.

I guess someone upstairs likes me.

So, I could have another group put together in a couple of weeks, which would be quite excellent!

And, how old am I? 34, married 10 years, and I have a 8 year old son.

=)

All the best,
Chris
 


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