Please stop paying full price for rulebooks.

Going through normal game distribution channels, returning gaming books isn't an option. There's always going to be exceptions as larger retailers work out special deals with the distributors, but generally that doesn't happen. The exception is when the manufacturer deliberately sells into the book trade in an attempt to sell more copies. When this happens they can and do get hit with returns.
 
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S'mon said:
Would I be right that (unlike the book trade) the games publishers don't offer sale-or-return deals, ie you can get stuck with unsellable stock? I seem to recall the first time TSR did agree to such a deal, it went bust... :)

Yes, you are correct. Distributors and retailers don't get returns. Lately, with the crappy economy, I've noticed my distributor not doing as much shelf stock on third party products as they use to. No one wants to get stuck with books they can't sell.

~D
 

Has anyone ever played Zone of the Enders? It's a game for PS2. A cool one, too.

Except that you can easily complete it in two hours, and there aren't secret modes or hidden stuff to keep the interest up.

Good thing I rented it, but had I bought it, I would have paid at least 50$.

So, I definitely think RPG books are not overpriced. More like the opposite.
 

Besides, roleplaying games are a self-renewing interest. When people get tired of or no longer use their old books, they often sell them off at lower prices so they can buy new stuff... like me. Of course, that is based on the hope that you own something that someone else wants. And I just might! Check out my sale! Link is in my signature.


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Normally, I'm willing to pay up to $30 for an RPG book, with a few exceptions, such as the FRCS. Of course, this depends on what I'm getting for that money... I'm willing to dish out $30 or more for a 300-page hardcover book with full-color illustrations and loads of useful information. However, I'm gonna be very reluctant to spend any amount over $20 on a 150-page softcover book with black & white illustrations that look like they were drawn by a 10-year-old, something which, sadly, I see often when I go to game stores.

I know that nobody becomes an RPG designer to earn big bucks, and that these guys have to work very hard just to turn a profit, but I always get a little annoyed when I hear the standard excuse of "RPG books aren't overpriced when you consider how much use you'll get out of them." Please, that's the same thing the RIAA says when people complain about overpriced CDs. What's next? A supermarket charging $20 for a loaf of bread and rationalizing it by saying "Well, considering that you need to eat to live, the cost really isn't that high."

My solution is buying my RPG books from Amazon.com, where I can sometimes save $5-$10 bucks per book. Suits me just fine. :D
 

Zappo said:
Has anyone ever played Zone of the Enders? It's a game for PS2. A cool one, too.

Except that you can easily complete it in two hours, and there aren't secret modes or hidden stuff to keep the interest up.

Good thing I rented it, but had I bought it, I would have paid at least 50$.

So, I definitely think RPG books are not overpriced. More like the opposite.

Hey, it took me a little over 2 hours...

And there is the "verses" mode to unlock (Why that's unlockable, and not standard, I don't really know).
 

To be honest, it took me 3 hours, because I wanted to go around looking for secrets. After a while, seeing that there were basically none, I got bored though. However I'm sure that it can be easily completed in under two hours.

BTW - CDs don't give nearly the same entertainment value as RPGs, and bread isn't a luxury good.
 


As I get older, I seem to think about everything in terms of food, and when I think about how much something will cost I usually end up thinking about how much food, and what type of food, I could get for that money instead. (I'm not fat, yet.)

Anyway, a decent $40 RPG book is going to bring me hours of entertainment. I could barely pay for a decent dinner out for my wife and I with $40, and if we took our 3 sons it would likely be much more. Sure, we need food to live, but the pleasure derived from the food would be gone in a day or so. In the can, so to speak.

I have a great deal of respect for the many creative people who devote their time and energy to adding to the game I enjoy. In fact, if I have never said so publically before, thank you. I also respect that the price point at which a product becomes affordable, or even worth buying, varies depending on the one spending the money. That is fine, we all have different priorities.

If you need to seek discounts to make a product worth the price to you, then do so. That is your right as a consumer. If you want to point out the good deals to others, then do that too. But please do not accuse others of "price gouging" without some hard evidence. Just because a product costs a little more than you are willing to pay is not evidence of price gouging.

From Dictionary.com:

gouged, goug·ing, goug·es

3. Informal. To extort from.
4. Slang. To swindle.


and

2: obtain by coercion or intimidation; "They extorted money from the executive by threatening to reveal his past to the company boss"

source: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gouge

Come on, lets not accuse others of such acts, even if you are merely exaggerating to make a point.
 

First off, there's only one book over 20 bucks that I paid full price for, and that's Tome of Horrors. It was one of those that I flipped through and decided that I wanted to take it home TODAY and read it, not look for it cheaper elsewhere. So my wife let me buy it.

Also, I have no qualms about buying expensive books if they're worth it. Sometimes we take risks, but hey, that's the way it works. I'm buying BESM d20 Deluxe Edition only having a vague idea of knowing what usable material is in it (though it'd be REALLY nice to have a preview of it!). Why the deluxe version? I prefer color over black and white, and hardcover over softcover. Simple as that. To me, it's worth it. So while a 40 dollar book isn't worth the money to one person, to another it is. I'd be happy if the mass majority of the books I buy stay where they are in the range of 15-25 (FFG, Mongoose, Green Ronin, and Bastion), and will slip the occaisional 40 dollar book in.


Chris
 

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