D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

[Krachek]

Lifting is strength x10 pounds. Thor can lift 100+ tons. That would require a strength of 20,000+.

Can we extrapolate the +10 000 bonus for to hit and damage!?

 

[Zubatcarteira]

If you have 30 Strength (times 30 to get maximum lift), Gargantuan size (Eight times the medium's max), the Totem Warrior's Aspect of the Beast for Bear (doubles it), the Enhance Ability Bull's Strength spell (doubles again) and the Glory Paladin's Peerless Athlete channel divinity (doubles once again), you have a maximum carrying capacity of:

30*30*8*2*2*2 = 57600 pounds or about 26 tons. That's the most I can think of to increase carrying, not something you could achieve normally, and I'm pretty sure Spider-Man can lift more than that, so not too crazy.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Can we extrapolate the +10 000 bonus for to hit and damage!?

I mean how many HP a skyscraper sized space alien invasion craft has? Thor annihilates it in one round. He gotta have a pretty decent damage bonus!

This is what I don't get why people say they want high level fighters or barbarian to be like Thor and Hulk. Do you actually want these characters to be able to utterly level a gigantic caste in one round? Because that's what it means to be as powerful as Thor.

 

[Oofta]

If you have 30 Strength (times 30 to get maximum lift), Gargantuan size (Eight times the medium's max), the Totem Warrior's Aspect of the Beast for Bear (doubles it), the Enhance Ability Bull's Strength spell (doubles again) and the Glory Paladin's Peerless Athlete channel divinity (doubles once again), you have a maximum carrying capacity of:

30*30*8*2*2*2 = 57600 pounds or about 26 tons. That's the most I can think of to increase carrying, not something you could achieve normally, and I'm pretty sure Spider-Man can lift more than that, so not too crazy.

I think some DMs might call shenanigans on the doubling logic but even before that how are you getting to gargantuan size?

But yes, with enough magic you can increase the numbers, it's an interesting thought experiment. Still doesn't match Spiderman, much less The Hulk.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

A Potion of Giant Size makes you Huge, then just use Enlarge.

 

[Krachek]

I mean how many HP a skyscraper sized space alien invasion craft has? Thor annihilates it in one round. He gotta have a pretty decent damage bonus!

This is what I don't get why people say they want high level fighters or barbarian to be like Thor and Hulk. Do you actually want these characters to be able to utterly level a gigantic caste in one round? Because that's what it means to be as powerful as Thor.

There is a lobby that work for giving « mundane super heroic » power to martial classes.
That’s is hard to follow.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I think some DMs might call shenanigans on the doubling logic but even before that how are you getting to gargantuan size?

But yes, with enough magic you can increase the numbers, it's an interesting thought experiment. Still doesn't match Spiderman, much less The Hulk.

The lifting math is just pretty busted. You'd think that Tarrasque could pick up a bus, or at least an elephant. But they can't. They can barely pick up a large rhino or a small van. And throwing any of these would be completely out of question. And that's the strongest creature in the game. Giants for example are pathetically weak.

 

[Oofta]

The lifting math is just pretty busted. You'd think that Tarrasque could pick up a bus, or at least an elephant. But they can't. They can barely pick up a large rhino or a small van. And throwing any of these would be completely out of question. And that's the strongest creature in the game. Giants for example are pathetically weak.

Yeah, I never said D&D does very good at this. I's not even just PCs, a grizzly bear is strong enough to rip car doors off. Many animals are not nearly as strong as they should be.

I blame it on over-simplification like several other things.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

There is a lobby that work for giving « mundane super heroic » power to martial classes.
That’s is hard to follow.

I'm just trying to figure out what people actually mean.

And I'm fine with some superheroics, there just is rather massive scale differences there. Thor is way more powerful compared to Captain America than Captain America is compared to a normal human.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The lifting math is just pretty busted. You'd think that Tarrasque could pick up a bus, or at least an elephant. But they can't. They can barely pick up a large rhino or a small van. And throwing any of these would be completely out of question. And that's the strongest creature in the game. Giants for example are pathetically weak.

Nevermind the fact that if you could throw such a thing, it wouldn't do nearly the damage you'd expect being hit by a small van would.