D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

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20th Level Fighter - Cap
20th Level Barbarian - Hulk
20th Level Artificer - Iron Man
20th Level Paladin - Thor
20th Level Monk - Black Panther (Spidey isn't quite level 20 yet, punched above his level in Infinity War due to magic items from a generous DM)
20th Level Rogue - Black Widow
20th Level Sorcerer - Scarlet Witch (internal power unlocked by Infinity Stone)
20th Level Wizard - Dr Strange
20th Level Warlock - Captain Marvel (power granted by Infinity Stone)
20th Level Bard - Star Lord
20th Level Ranger - Hawkeye
20th Level Cleric (Trickery) - Loki

Hawkeye is a fighter and not level 20.
Black Panther is a fighter
Thor and Loki don't match a D&D 5e classes.
Star Lord isn't 20th level

20th level Monk is Shang-Chi

There are no Clerics in MCU
There isn't no Paladin in MCU until SPOILERS
There are no Ranger in MCU. The closest is Falcon.

 

[Gammadoodler]

It's possible, but requires a dip into Sorc to get Hyperbole metamagic.

I mean..it is somewhat hyperbolic, but not by as much as you'd think. Meteor swarm covers four 80 ft diameter spheres.

The office building I work at is like 200ft ×100 ft at the base and 10 stories tall. 80 ft is something like 6-8 stories high. So one meteor swarm can't quite nuke my entire 10-story office building, but it comes pretty darn close.

So we're not talking big city skyscrapers in scale, but it's still some significant real estate.

 

[Cadence]

Star Lord isn't 20th level

I don't know how else you explain him (almost?) turning Gamora into a dancer (in Drax speak).

 

[Crimson Longinus]

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At level 20 most characters are able to tank multiple fireballs cruise missiles. In a general adventuring day, dealing with the sorts of situations that adventurers meet, I think that a party with the Hulk in it would be about as successful as a party with a level 20 wizard in it. That is the same level of capability, even though the two groups would find different things challenging. Having the same general level of capability does not mean "does the same things".

Fireball is a bazooka at best. And I'm sure pretty much everyone agrees that a level 20 fighter should be roughly balanced with a level 20 wizard. The question is what you think it would take. And if you answer it takes Hulk, then it means you think it takes being able to toss a sixty ton tank a mile and be effectively immune to most damage. And if you don't think that, then don't answer 'Hulk!'

 

[Zubatcarteira]

The 2003 Hulk film isn't part of the MCU btw.

 

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I don't know how else you explain him (almost?) turning Gamora into a dancer (in Drax speak).

Mutliple victories on Cha checks.

Don't gotta be a bard. Just wear them down.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Having seen Tony Stark in his Hulkbuster Iron Man Suit beat up Hulk, and seen Thor beat up Hulk until tasered by Valkyrie, and seen Hulk do no better against Thanos than Cap did later, I never thought of MCU Hulk as some ultimate measure of potency. Maybe he was in his own film; I never watched that.
MCU hero power levels vary pretty widely from film to film, and their feats follow rule of cool, not even normal cinematic physics. They tend to be the big cheese in their own film but are often downgraded as part of a team.

I mean Ironman literally collapses a skyscraper on Hulk. And he still is pretty much fine. Sure, Thor is even more powerful. And it was so in the comics too. But they both still are absurdly powerful.

 

[Cadence]

Mutliple victories on Cha checks.

Don't gotta be a bard. Just wear them down.

I wonder if a single failed Cha check against some folks has lethal results.

 

[J.Quondam]

I mean..it is somewhat hyperbolic, but not by as much as you'd think. Meteor swarm covers four 80 ft diameter spheres.

The office building I work at is like 200ft ×100 ft at the base and 10 stories tall. 80 ft is something like 6-8 stories high. So one meteor swarm can't quite nuke my entire 10-story office building, but it comes pretty darn close.

So we're not talking big city skyscrapers in scale, but it's still some significant real estate.

But how does a 9th level wizard cast meteor swarm?

 

[S'mon]

I mean Ironman literally collapses a skyscraper on Hulk. And he still is pretty much fine. Sure, Thor is even more powerful. And it was so in the comics too. But they both still are absurdly powerful.

You have to be pretty low-tier in MCU to be killed by a building fall on you. Even Ray Winstone survived that!