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D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

Which of these is close to where a fighter should max out in D&D?

  • Post GG2 Star-Lord

  • Black Widow / Hawkeye

  • Black Panther / Captain America

  • Spider-Man

  • Somewhere in this Big Gap

  • Hulk (really good, but no flight or turning to electricity)

  • Captain Marvel / Thor


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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
We don't see it, so it does seem unlikely.
Same is true for Hulk too though, although during Age of Ultron he literally runs through a concrete bunker, no idea how much strength would be required for that one.
We see him match the Hulk in a fight during the 2012 Avengers movie(so one of the first movies with Thor). In that movie Hulk stops the momentum of one of those long flying alien machines that carries bunches of alien guys. That thing would easily weigh more than 100 tons and he is stopping a lot of forward momentum at the same time. That alone shows both capable of lifting 100+ tons.
 

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Vaalingrade

Legend
The issue is that the game isn't built for feats of strength, but IS for energy projection. Casters can be Storm or Dr. Doom, but for fighters we're quibbling over whether we should allow them to even be Cap.

*Iceman removed because pedantics requires someone demand I show where Casters get an Ice Slide.
 




Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
The issue is that the game isn't built for feats of strength, but IS for energy projection. Casters can be Storm or Dr. Doom, but for fighters we're quibbling over whether we should allow them to even be Cap.

*Iceman removed because pedantics requires someone demand I show where Casters get an Ice Slide.
There is nothing short of Wish that would allow a caster to use as much energy as Storm. She's punched a hole through a mountain and can control weather and lightning for miles and miles. And if the caster uses wish for that, he's likely to never be able to cast it again.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
Sure. So we need better rule support for feats of strength!
Power Overwhelming
  • When determining what you are able to lift, carry of throw, you multiply your encumbrance by an additional 10. You may make this feat multiple times. Each time you do, you multiply your encumbrance by an additional 10.
  • You add double your proficiency bonus and gain advantage to Athletics checks to bend or break objects
  • You may throw anything you can lift. This attack is with disadvantage and damage is 3d6 for a Small object +2d6 for every size category larger than Small the object is. Mundane objects thrown in this way are destroyed.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
There is nothing short of Wish that would allow a caster to use as much energy as Storm. She's punched a hole through a mountain and can control weather and lightning for miles and miles. And if the caster uses wish for that, he's likely to never be able to cast it again.
But they can Fly, Lightning Bolt, Obscuring Mist, Hail Storm, etc. Basically be Storm if not the maximum form of a 40 year old comic book character. Might as well point out that's she's become a literal goddess in her long and storied history.
 

Rogerd1

Adventurer
He gets more powerful, but he is really powerful from the get go (except when Odin depowers him, duh) He annihilates the Ice giants with ease. Also worth remembering that all his foes are superpowered too, he would utterly pulverise normal humans. Malekith is not just some random goth.
I remember the Mjolnir feat where he lets rip with that in Thor, and of course him beating giants up.
That said, I would not really class Ice giants in the first move as that powerful but could be misremembering.

But if we used my table, let's put them at standard MCU Asgardian, 3,000 pounds......which may need altering considering what Sif did in Agents of Shield..
We see him match the Hulk in a fight during the 2012 Avengers movie(so one of the first movies with Thor). In that movie Hulk stops the momentum of one of those long flying alien machines that carries bunches of alien guys. That thing would easily weigh more than 100 tons and he is stopping a lot of forward momentum at the same time. That alone shows both capable of lifting 100+ tons.
No it really doesn't.

Now those weird flying Chitauri monsters, we don't see them fly very fast, although they are armoured. We know that much. We also know it also knocked Hulk back substantially.

Power Overwhelming
  • When determining what you are able to lift, carry of throw, you multiply your encumbrance by an additional 10. You may make this feat multiple times. Each time you do, you multiply your encumbrance by an additional 10.
  • You add double your proficiency bonus and gain advantage to Athletics checks to bend or break objects
  • You may throw anything you can lift. This attack is with disadvantage and damage is 3d6 for a Small object +2d6 for every size category larger than Small the object is. Mundane objects thrown in this way are destroyed.
This would work, but thing is once you start getting strength 30, and taking it twice you may as well play M&M as you are getting to the point where they can literally level mountains which is way out of DnD scope.

Are people happier with the re-done table though?

 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
The issue is that the game isn't built for feats of strength, but IS for energy projection. Casters can be Storm or Dr. Doom, but for fighters we're quibbling over whether we should allow them to even be Cap.

*Iceman removed because pedantics requires someone demand I show where Casters get an Ice Slide.
I am all for casters getting an ice slide though.
 

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