D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

[Undrave]

They are not Avengers material either, their spell use is far too limited.
To even get close to this, you need to remove spell slots and have something akin to power points, and a lot of them to do this. But even so, the spells are nowhere near the level they operate at.

Dude... one of the Avenger is Hawkeye.

a 20th level Wizard has a 1st level and 2nd level spell they can cast at will.

 

[Flamestrike]

Gear is not a class feature.

So Iron Man is just a Commoner. The Fighter wins.

 

[Cadence]

Dude... one of the Avenger is Hawkeye.

a 20th level Wizard has a 1st level and 2nd level spell they can cast at will.

In other questions, does Pizza Dog make Hawkeye a Ranger?

 

[Cadence]

So Iron Man is just a Commoner. The Fighter wins.

Artificer - Battle smith with a modified Steel Defender he can ride in?

 

[Scribe]

And before you scream BUT MAGIC ITEMS ARE OPTIONAL!

And this is one of my increasing number of issues with 5e.

They can be optional, but they should be assumed as well.

 

[Rogerd1]

Dude... one of the Avenger is Hawkeye.

a 20th level Wizard has a 1st level and 2nd level spell they can cast at will.

Fair point, and to be honest I tend to forget about him.
Is that bad?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Fair point, and to be honest I tend to forget about him.
Is that bad?

His series on Disney+ was solid.

 

[Rogerd1]

His series on Disney+ was solid.

Yeah, it was amazing. Kingpin was a nice throwback. Looks like Daredevil may also be in She Hulk too.

 

[Cap'n Kobold]

Artificer - Battle smith with a modified Steel Defender he can ride in?

More likely an Armourer Artificer.
Artificers are the only class where magic gear is a class feature.

 

[Gammadoodler]

So Iron Man is just a Commoner. The Fighter wins.

I admit, it's been a hot minute since I've watched Iron Man, but to accept that this is a relevant analogy, I have to assume that Iron Man must have haphazardly collected random bits and bobs that all happened to work together without any outside manipulation to make him a superhero.

That's the thesis for Iron Man right? Unbelievably lucky scrounger?

In addition to being a false comparison, it's also beside the point, which was how powerful should fighters be?

If your answer is "well, with this specific gear, they can do x" you are answering a question, but unless you are contending that the gear in question should be assumed (with sufficient reliability to build it into the class mechanics), then you're answer is missing something.

That something is "how powerful should the fighter be without the gear?"

The comparison question has been asked twice already and been avoided twice. Setting HP the same, how much more capable is a high level fighter than a level 5 or level 11 fighter? Does the magnitude of this incremental capability make sense?