D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

[Stalker0]

But it isn't really, it just depends on what you need to feel super-hero-like.

Some examples of features that feel super-hero-ish to me are:

• Survivor (you literally heal yourself when less than half HP)
• Action Surge (you can act twice a fast, gaining up to 4 attacks)
• Timeless Body (you don't age and no longer need food/water)
• Reliable Talent (yeah, you're that good any any skill you try, you don't even need to be proficient)
• Stroke of Luck (no reroll, just a hit becomes a miss, very Hawkeye-like IMO)

I would imagine in some super-hero games, abilities such as those would certainly be considered a super power.

One correction, Reliable Talent actually does require proficiency.

 

[DND_Reborn]

One correction, Reliable Talent actually does require proficiency.

My bad, going off of memory. I'll update the post and thanks!

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I also think people are looking at the wrong things here.

When you think of teh 20th level fighter as "Hulk", its not so much "I can literally lift anything".

Its the notion: "I do so much damage that I can rip apart any enemy that comes across me, and I'm so durable that almost nothing can stop me".


This model of the 20th level fighter is: Yes a 20th level wizard can teleport, alter reality, summon demons, etc. But....there is nothing scarier in the multiverse than facing a 20th level fighter directly in combat.

That to me is the Hulk or Thor model of fighter strength.

Perhaps, but then people are actually answering different questions. I took the question pretty literally: what sort of power should such character have, what sort of feats they should be able to accomplish. And Thor can destroy skyscraper-sized constructs in seconds, lift hundreds of tons and it takes a direct blast from a neutron star to seriously hurt him. Hulk has similar physical power, albeit with less extra shenanigans.

So that's a tad more than I feel a 20th level fighter should be capable of...

 

[Minigiant]

I reject the premise that D&D should be even close to super-heroes, even at 20th level. But that's just me.

I reject the idea that fighter replicates most warriors, especially superheroes.

Many of them are poor fighters. They just have superpowers that let them survive or score hits. The Super Strong/Tough combo tends to be really bad as they just swing and take attacks to the chin.

 

[DND_Reborn]

So that's a tad more than I feel a 20th level fighter should be capable of...

That is epic level sh!t IMO.

 

[DND_Reborn]

I reject the idea that fighter replicates most warriors, especially superheroes.

This I completely agree with, especially about superheroes.

IMO fighter wasn't meant to represent them, even at level 20.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Perhaps, but then people are actually answering different questions. I took the question pretty literally: what sort of power should such character have, what sort of feats they should be able to accomplish. And Thor can destroy skyscraper-sized constructs in seconds, lift hundreds of tons and it takes a direct blast from a neutron star to seriously hurt him. Hulk has similar physical power, albeit with less extra shenanigans.

So that's a tad more than I feel a 20th level fighter should be capable of...

You need at least like a 9th level wizard for that kind of thing.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

You need at least like a 9th level wizard for that kind of thing.

How would you throw a dragon a mile or destroy a castle in seconds as a 9th level wizard?

 

[Lanefan]

20th Level Fighter - Cap
20th Level Barbarian - Hulk
20th Level Artificer - Iron Man
20th Level Paladin - Thor
20th Level Monk - Black Panther
20th Level Rogue - Loki
20th Level Sorcerer - Captain Marvel
20th Level Wizard - Dr Strange
20th Level Bard - Star Lord
20th Level Ranger - ???
20th Level Cleric - ???

Not that they'd necessarily fit with the missing classes but both Vision and Scarlet Witch have to be on there somewhere. (SW = 20th level Psionicist?)

 

[Lanefan]

Great time for the BBEG to dominate.

The only true TPK I've ever had came from just this: the party's tank got Dominated and the rest of the party just couldn't handle him while still keeping the BBEG occupied. Then, once the tank was the only survivor, he became the BBEG's puppet until he starved to death (all the BBEG's other servants were undead and there was no edible food in the place).