D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

[Rogerd1]

I would say that Batfleck is where you should be looking for this.


That warehouse scene is likely where you need to be.

Or Oliver rescuing Walter Steel.


I am using DC here as examples over MCU as there are no really good fighters on either of the above two's level. And while they are both really strong, they quite literally are the epitome of peak human without being superhuman.

Now it all depends if you think a fighter would be MCU Captain America strong or not....if so.


And Cap is obviously above human level strength, so the nearest you will get in the MCU is Daredevil, or Romanov.

 

[S'mon]

I mean how many HP a skyscraper sized space alien invasion craft has? Thor annihilates it in one round. He gotta have a pretty decent damage bonus!

I liked the meta comment by Drax in GotG about the alien mooks being made of paper. It certainly feels that way watching the MCU visuals.
If you're running an MCU style version of 5e, the alien invasion craft will just be Gargantuan thingies with a few hundred hp. If you're running it like Twilight: 2000 the statting will be very different.

 

[Oofta]

No! Bonuses don't start until 12, so you only get +9,995.

I think I might have to figure out a way to bump up AC a tad for that game.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I would say that Batfleck is where you should be looking for this.


That warehouse scene is likely where you need to be.

Or Oliver rescuing Walter Steel.


I am using DC here as examples over MCU as there are no really good fighters on either of the above two's level. And while they are both really strong, they quite literally are the epitome of peak human without being superhuman.

Now it all depends if you think a fighter would be MCU Captain America strong or not....if so.


And Cap is obviously above human level strength, so the nearest you will get in the MCU is Daredevil, or Romanov.

The problem is that they're fighting some challenge rating 1/4 mooks here. Level 20 D&D characters need to fight way tougher things. Those mooks almost managed to take down Batman here, had they been trolls, let alone goristros, he would have been batpaste.

 

[Krachek]

One could argue that Cap is even more important given how he holds the team together as a leader and how often (in the decades of comics) Thor is off for huge stretches of time doing Asgard stuff. How do you say "God from off-panel" in Latin?

On the other hand, arguing importance is kind of odd for some things. What US military division is more important, the infantry/armored or the folks running the nuclear missiles? Are they equal because we'd be in trouble if either one is gone?

A perfectly agree with you. MCU put a lot of importance in team work, and when the team work together nobody can stop them!
It is almost the same in DnD, if everyone cooperate to have fun it work, the same for fight or any other challenge.

 

[Maxperson]

I think I might have to figure out a way to bump up AC a tad for that game.

When thumb wars turn deadly. And you have to remember, this is a fighter who will probably have great weapon master. His to hit is only going to be 9,990. His damage will be 10,005, so you have to plan for the increase.

 

[Rogerd1]

The problem is that they're fighting some challenge rating 1/4 mooks here. Level 20 D&D characters need to fight way tougher things. Those mooks almost managed to take down Batman here, had they been trolls, let alone goristros, he would have been batpaste.

Sort of, don't forget they were all SpecOps soliders who in themselves would also be fighters, just lower level and he went through a lot of them. And the beat down he gave some of them, one punch resulted in one having their face smashed into the floor.

But yeah I take your point about trolls though.

That said, it all depends on how strong you think a 20th level fighter should be.

I essentially converted DnD stats into what amounts super hero strength type classifications.

DnD 5e​
Stat	Cost	Lift
8	-2		Wimp
9	-1		Substandard
10	0	100	Normal
11	1	250
12	2	300
13	3	400	Athletic
14	4	500
15	5	600	Olympic
16	6	650
17	7	700
18	8	800	Peak
19	9	900
20	10	1,000	Enhanced
21	11	1,500
22	12	2,000
23	13	2,500
24	14	3,000	MCU Asgardian
25	15
26	16	4,000	Buffy Glory / Jasmine
27	17	6,000
28	18	8,000
29	19	9,000
30	20	10,000	MCU Thor / Hulk

 

[Oofta]

Sort of, don't forget they were all SpecOps soliders who in themselves would also be fighters, just lower level and he went through a lot of them. And the beat down he gave some of them, one punch resulted in one having their face smashed into the floor.

But yeah I take your point about trolls though.

That said, it all depends on how strong you think a 20th level fighter should be.

I essentially converted DnD stats into what amounts super hero strength type classifications.

DnD 5e​
Stat	Cost	Lift
8	-2		Wimp
9	-1		Substandard
10	0	100	Normal
11	1	250
12	2	300
13	3	400	Athletic
14	4	500
15	5	600	Olympic
16	6	650
17	7	700
18	8	800	Peak
19	9	900
20	10	1,000	Enhanced
21	11	1,500
22	12	2,000
23	13	2,500
24	14	3,000	MCU Asgardian
25	15
26	16	4,000	Buffy Glory / Jasmine
27	17	6,000
28	18	8,000
29	19	9,000
30	20	10,000	MCU Thor / Hulk

Olympic, it just really depends and I think many are at the 18-20 level.

You're missing a zero or three for Thor/Hulk.

 

[Maxperson]

Sort of, don't forget they were all SpecOps soliders who in themselves would also be fighters, just lower level and he went through a lot of them. And the beat down he gave some of them, one punch resulted in one having their face smashed into the floor.

But yeah I take your point about trolls though.

That said, it all depends on how strong you think a 20th level fighter should be.

I essentially converted DnD stats into what amounts super hero strength type classifications.

DnD 5e​
Stat	Cost	Lift
8	-2		Wimp
9	-1		Substandard
10	0	100	Normal
11	1	250
12	2	300
13	3	400	Athletic
14	4	500
15	5	600	Olympic
16	6	650
17	7	700
18	8	800	Peak
19	9	900
20	10	1,000	Enhanced
21	11	1,500
22	12	2,000
23	13	2,500
24	14	3,000	MCU Asgardian
25	15
26	16	4,000	Buffy Glory / Jasmine
27	17	6,000
28	18	8,000
29	19	9,000
30	20	10,000	MCU Thor / Hulk

Thor and Hulk are far strong in the MCU than 10,000 pounds of lift.

 

[Rogerd1]

Olympic, it just really depends and I think many are at the 18-20 level.

You're missing a zero or three for Thor/Hulk.

Thor and Hulk would be higher in later films as they definitely have a power boost, that is for sure.
Earlier films though, Thor was definitely less powerful and would not managed that neutron star feat for example.

But I think once you start including later films you leave DnD 5e far behind and need to start using M&M to be honest.

EDIT: That said though, if you use 2C Gaming for Epic level Barbarian has a clap thing that is very Hulk like though.