D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

[Rogerd1]

Re-done table.
For MCU does this work better?

Stat	Cost	Lift
8	-2		Wimp
9	-1		Substandard
10	0	100	Normal
11	1	250
12	2	300
13	3	400	Athletic
14	4	500
15	5	600	Olympic
16	6	650
17	7	700
18	8	800	Peak
19	9	900
20	10	1,000	Enhanced
21	11	1,500
22	12	2,000
23	13	2,500
24	14	3,000	MCU Asgardian
25	15
26	16	4,000
27	17	8,000	Glory
28	18	15,000
29	19	20,000
30	20	40,000	MCU Thor / Hulk

 

[Maxperson]

Olympic, it just really depends and I think many are at the 18-20 level.

You're missing a zero or three for Thor/Hulk.

More. This is a fun one. Remember when Thor(without his hammer) helped forge his new axe? I got this off the internet someone who did the calculations(so if it's wrong, blame him).

"Thor is 96 pixels, while the forge is 1,704 pixels. I'll say that the doors are a cylinder. Since Thor is 6'3, and he was slouching, so I'll say 6 feet, or 1.83 meters. The door is 1,355 pixels, which makes it 14.144 times larger than Thor, or 25.83 meters wide. that makes the Radius 12.915 meters. Let's say that the door is one meter thick. That gets us a volume of 524.05 cubic meters. Density of tungsten is 19.250 kg/m^3, which gives us a mass of 10,087,962.5 kilograms. Not too impressive. However, this was done under the gravity of a neutron star, which is 200 billion times that of Earth's gravity, bringing the weight up to 2,017,592,500,000,000,000 kilograms. However, that's not all. TO quote the original calc:

"We see that the mechanism is driven mechanically we see the gears and everything. So by knowing the principals of mechanical advantage we know that if thor only moves 1 foot and the things that gets moved, moves at least 20 feet than thor has to exert a force of at least 20 times greater"

So multiplying our previous value by 20 gets us 40,351,850,000,000,000,000 kilograms. That's small moon level again!"

Even if those assumptions are off by a bit, he's still capable lifting FAR more than 10,000 pounds.

 

[Oofta]

More. This is a fun one. Remember when Thor(without his hammer) helped forge his new axe? I got this off the internet someone who did the calculations(so if it's wrong, blame him).

"Thor is 96 pixels, while the forge is 1,704 pixels. I'll say that the doors are a cylinder. Since Thor is 6'3, and he was slouching, so I'll say 6 feet, or 1.83 meters. The door is 1,355 pixels, which makes it 14.144 times larger than Thor, or 25.83 meters wide. that makes the Radius 12.915 meters. Let's say that the door is one meter thick. That gets us a volume of 524.05 cubic meters. Density of tungsten is 19.250 kg/m^3, which gives us a mass of 10,087,962.5 kilograms. Not too impressive. However, this was done under the gravity of a neutron star, which is 200 billion times that of Earth's gravity, bringing the weight up to 2,017,592,500,000,000,000 kilograms. However, that's not all. TO quote the original calc:

"We see that the mechanism is driven mechanically we see the gears and everything. So by knowing the principals of mechanical advantage we know that if thor only moves 1 foot and the things that gets moved, moves at least 20 feet than thor has to exert a force of at least 20 times greater"

So multiplying our previous value by 20 gets us 40,351,850,000,000,000,000 kilograms. That's small moon level again!"

Even if those assumptions are off by a bit, he's still capable lifting FAR more than 10,000 pounds.

Closely related to plot armor, superheroes also have the added advantage of plot strength. When necessary and the proper grimace and strain, they can enact plot strength for truly incredible feats. See also Spiderman holding together a ferry.

 

[Rogerd1]

More. This is a fun one. Remember when Thor(without his hammer) helped forge his new axe? I got this off the internet someone who did the calculations(so if it's wrong, blame him).

"Thor is 96 pixels, while the forge is 1,704 pixels. I'll say that the doors are a cylinder. Since Thor is 6'3, and he was slouching, so I'll say 6 feet, or 1.83 meters. The door is 1,355 pixels, which makes it 14.144 times larger than Thor, or 25.83 meters wide. that makes the Radius 12.915 meters. Let's say that the door is one meter thick. That gets us a volume of 524.05 cubic meters. Density of tungsten is 19.250 kg/m^3, which gives us a mass of 10,087,962.5 kilograms. Not too impressive. However, this was done under the gravity of a neutron star, which is 200 billion times that of Earth's gravity, bringing the weight up to 2,017,592,500,000,000,000 kilograms. However, that's not all. TO quote the original calc:

"We see that the mechanism is driven mechanically we see the gears and everything. So by knowing the principals of mechanical advantage we know that if thor only moves 1 foot and the things that gets moved, moves at least 20 feet than thor has to exert a force of at least 20 times greater"

So multiplying our previous value by 20 gets us 40,351,850,000,000,000,000 kilograms. That's small moon level again!"

Even if those assumptions are off by a bit, he's still capable lifting FAR more than 10,000 pounds.

I am not entirely sure about those calcs.
That said, Thor in earlier films is less powerful than later ones. He doesn't really get his power up until Ragnarok, when he learns to channel is abilities without a hammer.

 

[Maxperson]

Thor and Hulk would be higher in later films as they definitely have a power boost, that is for sure.
Earlier films though, Thor was definitely less powerful and would not managed that neutron star feat for example.

But I think once you start including later films you leave DnD 5e far behind and need to start using M&M to be honest.

EDIT: That said though, if you use 2C Gaming for Epic level Barbarian has a clap thing that is very Hulk like though.

I truly think that even in the first movies, where he doesn't show anything like the neutron star stunt, he's still capable of 100+ tons of lift.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I really, really, don't think that even high level D&D needs to approach the top tier superhero scale. The game simply is not build to handle that. More grounded superheroics up the Spiderman* level, sure.

(* And that's already pushing it. Spidey is more powerful than most people realise.)

 

[Cadence]

Closely related to plot armor, superheroes also have the added advantage of plot strength. When necessary and the proper grimace and strain, they can enact plot strength for truly incredible feats. See also Spiderman holding together a ferry.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Closely related to plot armor, superheroes also have the added advantage of plot strength. When necessary and the proper grimace and strain, they can enact plot strength for truly incredible feats. See also Spiderman holding together a ferry.

And I think it would be fine for an epic tier fighter to be able to burn superiority die or some such to briefly boost their strength and accomplish some normally impossible mighty feat.

 

[Rogerd1]

I truly think that even in the first movies, where he doesn't show anything like the neutron star stunt, he's still capable of 100+ tons of lift.

We don't see it, so it does seem unlikely.
Same is true for Hulk too though, although during Age of Ultron he literally runs through a concrete bunker, no idea how much strength would be required for that one.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I am not entirely sure about those calcs.
That said, Thor in earlier films is less powerful than later ones. He doesn't really get his power up until Ragnarok, when he learns to channel is abilities without a hammer.

He gets more powerful, but he is really powerful from the get go (except when Odin depowers him, duh) He annihilates the Ice giants with ease. Also worth remembering that all his foes are superpowered too, he would utterly pulverise normal humans. Malekith is not just some random goth.