Polymorph

[kanithardm]

Can you polymorph something (someone) already polymorphed? If you can i have a few nasty surprises for my players.

 

[Thanee]

Yes you can. In the magic chapter there is a section about stacking spell effects, it details, that if you use two similar, non-additive spell effects (like two Polymorph effects), the newer one takes precedence over the older one, therefore you can do exactly that.

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Thanee

 

[IcyCool]

Yes you can. In the magic chapter there is a section about stacking spell effects, it details, that if you use two similar, non-additive spell effects (like two Polymorph effects), the newer one takes precedence over the older one, therefore you can do exactly that.

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Thanee

Now, the sticky question is, can you use PoA to turn into something, then use it again to turn into something permanently? (Use PoA to change yourself into an outsider, and then cast it again to turn permanently into an outsider?)

 

[Aust Diamondew]

What sorta of nasty suprises? Mind sharing I'm always open to knew ways to confuse players

 

[Thanee]

Now, the sticky question is, can you use PoA to turn into something, then use it again to turn into something permanently? (Use PoA to change yourself into an outsider, and then cast it again to turn permanently into an outsider?)

No, why should you?

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Thanee

 

[IcyCool]

No, why should you?

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Thanee

Well, you cast PoA to turn yourself into an Imp. You now have the type, Outsider. You cast PoA on yourself to turn into an Erinyes. The duration of the second PoA would be permanent. (Same kingdom +5, Same class +2, Same or lower Int +2 = +9).

This shouldn't work, I'm just missing the thing that keeps it from working.

 

[Thanee]

You should still base everything on the base creature, not the polymorphed creature.

Or once the first spell ends, the permanent duration would become invalid, I suppose.

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Thanee

 

[IcyCool]

You should still base everything on the base creature, not the polymorphed creature.

Also once the first spell ends, the permanent duration would become invalid, I suppose.

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Thanee

That's what I was thinking, but is that spelled out anywhere?

 

[Jarrod]

That the second spell overrides the first instead of stacking.

Polymorph a human into an Imp: previously human, now outsider.
Polymorph that Imp into an Erinyes: previously outsider, loses the old PaO, now human; gains PaO, now outsider.

 

[Thanee]

Well, the target also is a human, who happens to be polymorphed into an imp, not an imp.

Bye
Thanee