PotC: Dead Man's Chest spoiler thread

Spec-freaking-tacular. I agree with most so far and would say it ended very well with a nice entrance by our new "cap'un" for the start of the next movie. Why was the monkey still undead though? No one else was. All in all I will go see it at least one more time and would pay full price if necessary to do so.
 

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Darthjaye said:
Why was the monkey still undead though? No one else was.

Dude! I cannot believe you asked that.

The monkey stole a coin from the Isla de Muerta's stash of Aztec coins at the end (the post-credits end) of Black Pearl. Thus, it is still again under the Aztec curse. But it's the only one.

PS: To repeat the review I sent to my group: Fan-freaking-tastic.

The third movie is going to be packed with characters: Bootstrap Bill, Barbossa, Beckett, Davy Jones, Keith Richards' character, probably the Commodore -- never mind that they'll probably be adding characters!

PPS: I have to steal that compass for use as a magic item. :)
 
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coyote6 said:
Dude! I cannot believe you asked that.

The monkey stole a coin from the Isla de Muerta's stash of Aztec coins at the end (the post-credits end) of Black Pearl. Thus, it is still again under the Aztec curse. But it's the only one.

PS: To repeat the review I sent to my group: Fan-freaking-tastic.

The third movie is going to be packed with characters: Bootstrap Bill, Barbossa, Beckett, Davy Jones, Keith Richards' character, probably the Commodore -- never mind that they'll probably be adding characters!

PPS: I have to steal that compass for use as a magic item. :)

Actually completey forgot about the monkey doing that, but it was in the back of my mind and I was almost gonna turn the movie on and flip to the ending just to see.

Don't forget Governor Swann and Captain Sao Feng (Yun-Fat Chow) for the next movie.
 


On the subject of scenes at the end of the credits, did anybody else stay for the end of the credits of this film and catch the
return to the island of the savages
? :D (Edit: sigh- this is what I get for revising a long post multiple times before submission.)

Oh, and yes, even though the plot was all over the place, I loved finally having a complex movie that didn't insult the audience's intelligence (particularly in a summer blockbuster)! And that was truly my only complaint, aside from having to wait a whole year before seeing how it all ends. The triple-cross (or was it a quadruple-cross?) at the end was one of the most brilliant bits of dramatic irony and characterization I've ever seen in a motion picture. I think this movie is designed to reward multiple viewings, and will likely be testing that hypothesis soon.

And regarding the Kraken, I can't help but wonder how many HD the movie Kraken had in D&D terms- it was clearly advanced into Colossal size, for example. :D Not to mention it had some serious Regeneration or Fast Healing ability. Oops, my geek is showing...
 

I saw it last night, loved it. I did not think the plot was all over the place, you just had to watch the movie to know what was going on. The only 2 people from the first movie I did not see was the two Port Royal gaurds, but I might have just missed them, anyone know if they were in?
Also, since the mouth of the kraken reminded me of the sarlac from Return of the Jedi, here is how I think Jack will survivie:
Jack will meet up with Bobba Fett and they fight they're way out, Bobba Fett then helps jack and the others take out Davey Jones with his armor and weapons. ;)
 

Warning-- a long, rambling, spoiler-filled entry follows...

Saw the late night early preview Thursday, but haven't had a chance to post 'til now...

I concur with the "Empire Strikes Back" feel to the movie-- it seemed to be mostly about character development and setting up the third movie, down to the "need to go off now and find our friend who sacrificed himself so we could get away" ending...

After one of the Kraken attacks, a fish-man says to Davey Jones "There were (x number of survivors), the sea has claimed the rest", not "the Kraken got 'em", which means to me that folks "eaten" are not necessarily taken as food... even the hat survived a few weeks down the beastie's gullet...

The plot didn't seem convoluted to me, being a straightforward "Find the McGuffin"-- everyone wants the key/ Dead Man's Chest/ what's inside to further their personal agenda...

I felt that many of the "bits" in the movie were played for laughs, like the "circus music" soundtrack behind the swinging cages moment or the "Look--" (BANG!) "Undead Monkey!" bit, but over-all the tone of the movie was darker then the first-- the character development left you wondering who to root for:

Will-- moved from his "black and white" view of the world to accepting the grey areas within himself and others in the first movie, and is solidly in the mode of "our hero", realizing he can be ruthless if he needs to be and break the rules, so long as he knows the goal he is fighting for is a good one... he doesn't develop much in this one, though after the last Black Pearl moment when he sees Elizabeth and Jack in a clutch, he may have to work out accepting that Elizabeth is not exactly who he thought she was...

Jack-- Our protagonist in this movie, his actions drive the plot the way Elizabeth's drove the plot in CotBP. He's become a man without a set goal, now that he has the Pearl, and works as an anti-hero while he determines just who it is he wants to be now-- it isn't until the very end and his "Hero moment" that he goes back to being the "Jack Sparrow" he was in the first movie-- in fact, the whole business with trying to find a new hat can be seen as a symbol of his search; when he regains his hat at the end, he regains his sense of self...

Elizabeth-- loses everything. She's gone far down the path of "betrayers and mutineers" and needs to find some way to recover her sense of self by the end of the movie (I did miss a bit of the final scene in the witch's house at the end, so correct me if I'm wrong about this-- damn "big soda/ too many previews before the film"). Her betrayal of Jack gives him his self-validation though-- even the best of people have a bit of pirate inside...

A minor quibble-- I thought the rationale for Pintel and Ragetti's return was a bit thin, plot-wise-- a minor bit of "Hand-waving" necessary to get the "commentary characters" on the scene... also, the man in the well in Tortuga, though a reference to the ride at Disney World, felt jarring this time, unlike similar references in the last movie...

I also missed Murtog and Mulroy, the two Redcoats from Port Royal, and it doesn't look like they're back in the last movie either-- perhaps they were part of the crew that Norrington lost chasing the Pearl...

From internal cues, the movie is set sometime between 1715 and 1727-- so now that Cutler Beckett has Davey Jones' heart, Britiain is set to "rule the waves" and bring the Golden Age of Piracy to an end, and all the sailors will be "working for the EIC' which they were complaining about at one point during the movie-- the "Empire" is the only force that has accomplished their goals fully at the end of the movie-- the "rebels"/ pirates have been pushed to the edges of the map (comparable to the edge of the galaxy in the final scene of SW:ESB).

I remember reading a while ago that Disney had been sued by members of the Arawak/ Carib tribes over the representation of cannibals in the film, but it's solidly in the literary tradition of the time. The scenes parallel both the depiction of natives in Robinson Crusoe and the movie The Man Who Would Be King. Also the "And so they made me their cheif..." line of Jack's in the first movie...

Other movie/ book references-- Hunt for Red October whenever the Flying Dutchman rose from beneath the waves, Elizabeth's "marionette ghost" parallels a scene in Tim Power's book On Stranger Tides, the crew of the Dutchman recalls Shakespeare's line in The Tempest about "Full fathom five your father lies... and suffers a sea change," and reaching for your sword only to find it gone, referencing the self-referencing done in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom about the scene where Indy shoots the Arab swordsman in Raiders of the Lost Ark...

With that fairly convoluted sentence, I'll put my inner English Major away... just for the record though, it was a great sequel, and I don't think it hurt the franchise (which I was worried about, seeing how the Matrix thing turned out...). I was also worried that there would be a "cool things for marketing purposes" problem with the fish-men crew, sort of like I felt about the Ewoks in the StarWars movies, but I didn't get that feeling after the movie this time...
 
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My wife and I saw it yesterday, and were absolutely blown away. It's not often she wants to see a movie twice, but she has been asking me ever since yesterday. :) I loved most every scene that everyone above loved, so I'll just add that Barbossa at the end totally threw me. I don't know why, but I was NOT expecting that.

I wonder if they'll cover how he lived past the fatal heart-shot?
 

Henry said:
I wonder if they'll cover how he lived past the fatal heart-shot?

I don't think he did. I could be wrong--this is entirely guess-work on my part, not anything I've read or know--but my guess is that Tia Dalma accepted the undead monkey as payment because she needed its link to him in order to resurrect him.

Could be way off, of course, but that was the first thing I thought of when I watched the scene. :)
 

Mouseferatu said:
I don't think he did. I could be wrong--this is entirely guess-work on my part, not anything I've read or know--but my guess is that Tia Dalma accepted the undead monkey as payment because she needed its link to him in order to resurrect him.

Could be way off, of course, but that was the first thing I thought of when I watched the scene. :)
Hm, never thought of that. I just guessed that Davey Jones resurrected Barbossa to get him to go after Jack, who (in Jones' mind) has his heart.
 

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