[Potential SPOILERS] Enterprise - Course Correction?

[Mark]

I don't like the episodes from around the middle of the fifth season to the end of the series as much. Interestingly enough, that's about when Braga started working on Trek. Coincidence? (Sorry Mark, but I couldn't resist the cheap shot ).

heh heh It's an interesting contradiction that you point out. I have no doubt it will be explained with the venom it warrants...

 

[Shadowdancer]

DS9 had the first primetime lesbian kiss.

No, that accolade goes to "Rosanne."

I did like the fact that DS9 didn't make a big deal about the kiss beforehand, and there seemed to be little backlash against it afterwards from conservative groups.

"Rosanne" promoted the hell out of its kiss, and people were arranging boycotts and protesting the kiss beforehand.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So, maybe it would have been better for DS9 rates if they had done they same as on Roseanne?

For the Bragga Bashing - Somehow I do not think it is his fault alone. Maybe it is also because Startrek is getting older, and most stories have already been told.
The premise of Voyager sounded new, but it basically was only changing the flight direction of the ship - instead of flying from Earth to unknown zone, they flew from the unknown zone to Earth.
Deep Space Nine was "newer" (but unfortunately, the same idea was used by Babylon 5, so many stories are already told there) in concept, because it was a station, and the unknown had to come to them (which is, from a point of relativity, still nothing new) and they had to face the consequences of their actions for a longer time (Which was really new to Startrek).
The Enterprise, is once again, flying to discover the unknown, only the time changed.

But, at least Voyager could have been better, if they used the new parts in a more interesting way - a ship basically alone from help, no home base to reach. They mostly forgot the fact that the ship had 2 crews with sometimes opposing views on life.
But what happened?
The crew merged perfectly (at least not worse than most crews before), and the Voyager single handedly defeated the Borg, without having the full starfleet resources at hand.
(Which weren`t enough during TNG and DS9, and even if it was the Enterprise who defeated the Borg Cube more or less alone, it where very special circumstances and the ship was in a repair dock for several days)
When the ship was severely crippled (there were some episodes), the repairs were completed at the beginning of the next episode.

The oppertunities for "Enterprise" seem, as far as I can see it thanks to spoilers (Enterprise just started in Germany, so I have to rely on sources like this Board), are better used - they seem to explore the post development, even if they use some tricks like the temporal cold war to allow continuity changes...
Even if they don`t do it always, they do it.

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[mojo1701]

In a way, I think you're right about that "getting old" idea.

All the stories have been done. The idea from Voyager had promise, but was was poorly done. Some episodes were good, but then were repeated (e.g. The "Affect the past to correct the future" stories), which made the newer ones hackneyed and clichéd.

The idea of the Temporal Cold War so they can fool around with continuity is pretty new, and something I can't wait for. But if it just involves Enterprise and those Suliban...

 

[John Crichton]

Deep Space Nine was "newer" (but unfortunately, the same idea was used by Babylon 5, so many stories are already told there) in concept, because it was a station, and the unknown had to come to them (which is, from a point of relativity, still nothing new) and they had to face the consequences of their actions for a longer time (Which was really new to Startrek).
The Enterprise, is once again, flying to discover the unknown, only the time changed.

Actually, Babylon 5's first airing was about a month after the first airing of DS9 so it wasn't quite "been there done that" in concept as they both showed their stories at the same time.

 

[Ranger REG]

For the Bragga Bashing - Somehow I do not think it is his fault alone. Maybe it is also because Startrek is getting older, and most stories have already been told.
The premise of Voyager sounded new, but it basically was only changing the flight direction of the ship - instead of flying from Earth to unknown zone, they flew from the unknown zone to Earth.

Well, if Braga (and Berman) had known that, then they shouldn't have started up a new Trek series. They should have taken a break. That's what we've been telling them when they were doing VOYAGER.

Star Trek is not going anywhere if you stop the TV series and focus on films.

The oppertunities for "Enterprise" seem, as far as I can see it thanks to spoilers (Enterprise just started in Germany, so I have to rely on sources like this Board), are better used - they seem to explore the post development, even if they use some tricks like the temporal cold war to allow continuity changes...
Even if they don`t do it always, they do it.

The problem with doing a Prequel is trying to stay in-line with established continuity mentioned in previous Trek series.

Besides, I have seen how Braga handled any temporal-themed stories, and they always suck to me. So when I heard they're using "Temporal Cold War" as the main arc of the series, I can't help but notice Braga's signature and rolled my eyes until I can see my cerebellum.

 

[Ranger REG]

No, that accolade goes to "Rosanne."

I did like the fact that DS9 didn't make a big deal about the kiss beforehand, and there seemed to be little backlash against it afterwards from conservative groups.

"Rosanne" promoted the hell out of its kiss, and people were arranging boycotts and protesting the kiss beforehand.

I don't think it was because the lesbian kiss is inappropriate but rather they could have used a decent-looking actress. Seeing Rosanne lesbian-kissed scared and disgusted the hell out of me.

Why couldn't they used any one of her daughters?

At least DS9 used two model-looking actresses.

 

[DerianCypher]

I dunno

The thing I dislike about Enterprise is that it is hard to like some of the characters. For example: captain archer. I'm getting sick of him being right all the time! I mean, if every alien race you meet is out to get you why the hell are you exploring?!?!

DC

 

[Vocenoctum]

I dunno

The thing I dislike about Enterprise is that it is hard to like some of the characters. For example: captain archer. I'm getting sick of him being right all the time! I mean, if every alien race you meet is out to get you why the hell are you exploring?!?!

DC

Searching for bigger weapons to blow those alien's up with!

But then, Enterprise seems to go out of their way to not retrieve technology from encountered races.

 

[John Crichton]

I dunno

The thing I dislike about Enterprise is that it is hard to like some of the characters. For example: captain archer. I'm getting sick of him being right all the time! I mean, if every alien race you meet is out to get you why the hell are you exploring?!?!

Perhaps we are watching 2 different shows. There have only been a few times that Enterprise has gone up against an aggressive species that wanted to harm them. The amount of times is fairly normal for Trek. And it's not like it happens every week. And as for Archer being right most of the time: Do you like your captains stupid? I've said it before: He's captain (and a good one) for a reason.