Power Attack/Leaping Charge attack

[Felix]

Lion Totem Barbarian 1. Yeah, that's rough.

Fair enough; I don't have every book out there. Would you mind telling me the source?

 

[Korak]

Is it Leap Attack's fault (or more precisely, the author of Leap Attack) that some "expert" with a ridiculously poor understanding of game balance thought giving out pounce at level 1 in a base class was a good idea?

 

[Zurai]

Fair enough; I don't have every book out there. Would you mind telling me the source?

Complete Champion, class variant for Barbarians. "Sacrifices" fast movement for pounce.

 

[Moon-Lancer]

this feat has errata if I recall. Its makes it a 1 to 4 ratio with power attack.

 

[SlagMortar]

"Get Pounce" like it's a pound of hamburger at the supermarket? It takes some contortions to get it. And if it's a problem when they work in concert, I doubt the fault lies with Leap Attack.

I didn't claim pounce wasn't broken.

Pounce is way too easy to get, and I personally think it should just allow one attack with each weapon or natural weapon. I don't think it should allow iterative attacks. With just the SRD, psychic warrior 4 gets you a 2nd level power and therefore Psionic Lion's Charge.

I do think it is good to point out in a thread about Leap Attack that it does not prevent full attacks.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

this feat has errata if I recall. Its makes it a 1 to 4 ratio with power attack.

The errata is wrong. It is inconsistent with how such bonuses are normally calculated.

 

[Moon-Lancer]

i don't doubt the possibility that errata changed the way its written. I'm just saying, in the errata, its a 4 to 1 ratio. The way the errata writes it is nearly identical to the frenzied berserker text, although it has an example. It may intemperate the original text wrong, but its also possible its re-balancing rather then interpreting the text wrong.

I'm just saying its stated different in the errata, so its something to consider.

 

[Darklone]

FB is broken, errata is broken, use of sound mind is not broken.

Where's hong when you need one?

 

[the Jester]

"Get Pounce" like it's a pound of hamburger at the supermarket? It takes some contortions to get it.

It's actually quite easy via lion's charge (magical or psionic).

 

[Machiavelli]

Excluding the questionable sanity of the Lion Totem Barbarian substitution, I've found that Pounce can be had by only a few means. The +1 LA Catfolk race (from Races of the Wild) has exclusive access to Pounce at first level, but only against flatfooted opponents (a serious limitation at any level, somewhat mitigated because the catfolk get +4 Dexterity for +2 Initiative). At 4th level a psychic warrior can learn to manifest Psionic Charge, a 2nd-level swift-action power. A druid can use the Lion's Charge wild feat to expend a daily wild shape use (ouch!) for just a single pounce. Alternatively, a druid could wild shape into something with Pounce as one of its extraordinary abilities.

And I'm pretty sure that's it. If you can manage one of those, you can combine Leap Attack with pouncing for lots and lots of offensive capability. You don't need 6-to-1 power attack ratios to make such a build very nasty. The 3-to-1 you get is pretty nasty by itself.