Pronounciation of Justiciar
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I had a player who did that. Also "melee" with the accent on the first syllable, "muh-LEE".Ulthwithian said:
When I was 7 or 8, I suddenly found out that the written word "ceramic" and the spoken word were the same word. For some reason I'd been mentally reversing the E and the R, and thinking "creamic" (cream-ik) when I read that word. Then one day I noticed it wasn't written that way and sounded it out, and suddenly went, "OH! Ceramic! THAT'S what they're talking about!"
Heh, just us crazy americans picking a different chemical naming convention...vagabundo said:
But "justiciar" is a real and correct word, while "justicar" isn't and is unknown outside of RPGs. By contrast, aluminium and aluminum are both considered correct by the IUPAC (the organization that standardizes chemistry terms) and accepted as alternative spellings, just like "color" and "colour".breschau said:
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Jonathan Moyer said:I prefer the sound of "just-uh-car." It sounds forceful and strong to me. "Jus-tish-ee-er" sounds a little too prim and prissy IMO.
Incidentally, I ran into something similar when I was working on a Divine Controller called the "Vicar." I had always pronounced the word "vye-car," but posters right here on this forum corrected, saying it's pronounced "vicker." That sounds too "prim and proper" to me as well.
Hehe! This entire thread about "I'll pronounce it this way because it sounds cooler!" so strongly reminds me of "Young Frankenstein":
Igor: Dr. Frankenstein...
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: "Fronkensteen."
Igor: You're putting me on.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, it's pronounced "Fronkensteen."
Igor: Do you also say "Froaderick"?
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No...”Frederick."
Igor: Well, why isn't it "Froaderick Fronkensteen"?
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: It isn't; it's "Frederick Fronkensteen."
Igor: I see.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You must be Igor.
[He pronounces it ee-gor]
Igor: No, it's pronounced "eye-gor."
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: But they told me it was "ee-gor."
Igor: Well, they were wrong then, weren't they?
(source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072431/quotes )
Ebon Shar
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On the subject of horrible mispronunciations...I was working in a book store many years ago when a couple of elementary school aged kids asked me if we had in stock the pissy-onics handbook. Luckily, being the D&D player that I am, I knew what they were talking about. After gently correcting their pronunciation, I had to inform them that, sadly, B Dalton did not stock that particular book.
On a personal front, I mispronounced Black Canary as Black Cannery for many years as a child.
On a personal front, I mispronounced Black Canary as Black Cannery for many years as a child.
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Hella_Tellah
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Cam Banks said:Ignorance is awesome!
I think by this logic, we really should be accepting rouge, villian, pronouncing "Charisma" with the "ch" of "church," loosing things instead of losing them, and other mass-produced collective screwups that nobody bothers to check. But it's OK, because language evolves, and eventually, we won't need to hire editors, because we'll all apparently write screeds of nonsense and understand each other.
It's Justiciar. Get over it. Things can get corrected.
Cheers,
Cam
I'm sure the Romans moaned and gnashed their teeth every time some stupid git in Britannia pronounced Caesar as "seezer", too. The language you speak is a result of generations of illiterate slobs mispronouncing Latin, French, Norse, and Archaic Germanic words, and no amount of impassioned argument on the internets will stop us modern-day slobs from ruining the language even more. It's slowed down a bit since the advent of the printing press, but there's no force on Yrth powerful enough to stop it.
Cam Banks said:Ignorance is awesome!
I think by this logic, we really should be accepting rouge, villian, pronouncing "Charisma" with the "ch" of "church," loosing things instead of losing them, and other mass-produced collective screwups that nobody bothers to check. But it's OK, because language evolves, and eventually, we won't need to hire editors, because we'll all apparently write screeds of nonsense and understand each other.
It's Justiciar. Get over it. Things can get corrected.
Cheers,
Cam
It's not ignorant to invent a word and use it. It's ignorant to misspell words. I've done it, you've done it, everyone's done it. Mistakes happen. But when a mistake lasts 30+ years, gets used in various places, by different companies over that 30 year span, now that's something different. Someone misspelled a word 30 years ago and that misspelling has lasted all this time, at this point, it's a word. Get used to it. You can't go back and take it out of those books. That it's not in the dictionary is irrelevant. It's a created word with little use. It's not ignorant. I'm sorry that you think it is.
My English professors think it's ignorant to use Google as a lowercase verb. Things change. Do a bit of research into the evolution of words. They change all the time. Most compound words start as open (two words separated by a space). They transition into hyphenated words. Eventually they form closed compounds (no space, no hyphen). According to you, that's ignorant. But, that's the how language work. Every English scholar on Earth knows this, but to you, that's ignorant. I'll go with the professors on this one, thanks.
Electronic mail, E-mail, e-mail, email. Wow. Magically all of those are correct spellings. Yet, when first introduced, people protested. When it became hyphenated, people protested. When the upper case was dropped, people protested. When the hyphen was dropped, people protested. Yet, they're all correct spellings. But because it changes, you think that's ignorant. If you don't want language to change, go study Latin or some other dead language.
American English is the ignorant and misspelled red-headed step child of English. English is a collection of ignorant misspellings of Middle English words. (At the time they thought they were standardizing the spelling; but they were just ignorant.) Middle English is a bastard of Old English, which is a goof from West Germanic branches of Indo-European. So where exactly are you drawing the line? What's an ok misspelling for you? According to Old English it's not even "English" it's "Englisc". That's the proper way to spell it, originally. But, guess what? That's only when using the Latin alphabet, instead of the runes you're supposed to.
Things change. Either start spelling and speaking Old English or accept that languages change.
Fifth Element
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Yes, but what kind of English? Me, I'm prone to using Canadian pronunciations, for relatively obvious reasons.Fieari said:
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There are so many rules to English spelling-pronunciation, and 84 of the 90 some have exceptions. There are many ways either could be pronounced. "Ju" can be pronounced "jew" from Juliet, or "juh" from justice. "St" is stable. A stand-alone "i" could be a short "i" (pit), long "i", silent, or schwa. "C" could be "s" or "k". "Ci" could be "si" (city). "Cia" could be "see-ay" (pronunciation). So unless you're a latin scholar (and then there's the dispute between classical versus church pronunciation), you would have to guess or look it up. If you guess, you'd never get "just-i-sheer" from the first (more likely you'd get "just-i-see-air"), and almost always get "just-i-kar" from the second.
Oh, and it's Kelt not Selt. There are no Seltics only Keltics. Never met a Selt, but my family is full of Kelts. Funnily enough, the "k" spellings are recognized by the spell checker.
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