psicrystal

[Thanee]

Hit Dice: As master’s HD (hp 1/2 master’s)
Advancement: -

They don't really have their 'own' HD and you cannot advance them.

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Thanee

 

[Scion]

They don't really have their 'own' HD and you cannot advance them.

Which, in this case, means that there arent 'bigger' versions of the psicrystals out there.

But it does not mean that they do not gain hd. After all, they explicitly 'do' gain hd everytime their master does.

 

[Thanee]

They never gain HD (that's advancement, also gaining ability points/skill points/feats is advancement). Their HD number is simply equal to the HD number of their master.

You just look at the stat block and at the HD entry, you get, say, 20 HD from a 20th level psion master. Then you go to the abilities/skills/feats entry, and you see, that it doesn't matter, they are all the same regardless of the master's HD.

That's all there is to it. They simply don't gain stuff that way.

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Thanee

 

[Scion]

I am afraid I will need a bit more proof than that. Do you have any rules to back this up?

It just seems like you are assuming an answer and then saying that it must be the case.

In normal cases having hd does certain things, unless otherwise specified. I dont see anything in the stat block that specifies. I am still looking through other sources though.

 

[Thanee]

How about you try to find only a single statblock, where the given HD have not yet figured in.

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Thanee

 

[Scion]

How about you try to find only a single statblock, where the given HD have not yet figured in.

Looks like both psicrystals and familiars fit this bill. In addition to animal companions which get extra hd that do not increase its size but do grant everything else.

 

[Thanee]

Psicrystal and familiar do not count, obviously, as they are the ones in question... Doh!

Animal companions (and special mounts) are different, yes, as they actually gain extra HD.
But there also is no statblock for them like there is for the other two.

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Thanee

 

[Scion]

Those do not count, obviously, as they are the ones in question

Animal Companions are different, yes, they actually gain extra HD.

So examples other than ones which might disagree with you?

Umm.. ok

Still though, I need something concrete, not just guesses ;/

Animal companions gain hd through a class gaining levels, the psicrystal/familiar gains hd through a class gaining levels. They just use a different chart. Instead of having '+2 hd every 3rd level' they have' +1 hd every level'.

 

[Thanee]

So examples other than ones which might disagree with you?

Examples other than the ones, which are to be proven.

You cannot use X to prove X. LOL

X is because of X, that would make math a lot easier!!!

Animal companions gain hd through a class gaining levels, the psicrystal/familiar gains hd through a class gaining levels.

No, animal companions gain HD (they add additional HD to their HD).
Psicrystals/familiars simply have HD. They never gain any.

But well, if you don't want to understand it... just do it as you think it will work right in your games... as long as it works the same for everyone, it's not really a big thing, I guess. *shrug*

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Thanee

 

[Scion]

But they are questions and so cannot be used to prove either side. It isnt like there arent any mistaken writeups, there are lots. So saying that the chart is correct when there is no text to back it up and it contradicts other rules seems a bit wrong to me. Well, more than a bit.

The animal companions are in a special chart where they get hd. Yes. Of course the psicrystal doesnt need a special chart because the tracking is one for one. A Chart for that sort of stat would be fairly meaningless.

Unless of course you are saying that characters dont gain hd either? They simply have hd.

Of course, monsters of all types get feats and such based on their hd, even if they didnt gain any. A 6 hd monster has 3 feats (besides racial ones) but they didnt 'gain' hd to get those, they simply have enough hd to qualify.

I understand what is going on just fine. If you cant find anything to justify what you are saying other than what you have said above, which is incredibly flimsy at best based on other evidence I have presented, then either it isnt in the rules at all or we just havent found it yet.