Psionic Races/Template?

[Leathros]

Pretty much everything is allowed, except for Eberron and stuff.
I was searching for something that doesen't have LA so i can
lvl up faster
But pherenic template... omg...

I have another question, say i have a Psion2/Wilder2
Int 18 (+4)
Cha 16 (+3)

i get bonus PP for high key characteristic, does this means i get
bonus PP for BOTH Int and Cha, for being Psion/Wilder??

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

I have another question, say i have a Psion2/Wilder2
Int 18 (+4)
Cha 16 (+3)

i get bonus PP for high key characteristic, does this means i get
bonus PP for BOTH Int and Cha, for being Psion/Wilder??

Yup, but in the long run, straight Psion will get the most PP in high levels.

 

[Sekhmet]

Pretty much everything is allowed, except for Eberron and stuff.
I was searching for something that doesen't have LA so i can
lvl up faster
But pherenic template... omg...

I have another question, say i have a Psion2/Wilder2
Int 18 (+4)
Cha 16 (+3)

i get bonus PP for high key characteristic, does this means i get
bonus PP for BOTH Int and Cha, for being Psion/Wilder??

When you gain a level in Psion, you'll get your Int mod to PP. When you gain a level in Wilder, you'll gain your Cha mod to PP.
As stated before, the Psion will receive the most PP by far, but if you're just using his PP to augment the available pool (not a good idea), then it isn't a terrible route.

 

[Leathros]

Im planning on get 1 or 3 levels of Wilder so i get the free Augment no more,
and then go with Meditant, those Stat Boots really rocks.

 

[Wyvernhand]

If all you want is the free augment, look into Overchannel or something like Earth Power (Races of Stone). Its not worth sacrificing higher level powers for it.

 

[Leathros]

But overchannel doesen't give Free Augment points, with Wilder lvls y can augment every single power and get it augmented FREE !

 

[Wyvernhand]

In the short term, that might save you some PP, but if you look at the math, it doesn't hold up. First of all, you'll only have Wild Surge +1, which means you'll only ever get one extra PP per power if you use it each time. You will, however, be 1-3 MLs behind unless you spend a feat on Practiced Manifester, so you are either just barely breaking even, or you are spending a feat. Also, since you are a whole level or more behind, you'll have fewer PP per day. At mid to high levels, the difference in PP is after 20 points or more per level, and that's not even counting bonus PP for a high stat. You can augment a lot of powers with 20+ extra PP.

And then there is the fact that you'll have fewer higher level powers, and your highest level powers will lag behind.

Trust me, it looks shiny and neat. But so does the monk class. I'd pick either Psion or Wilder and run with it, especially for your first psionic character.

And remember, YOU CAN'T SPEND MORE PP ON A SINGLE MANIFESTATION THAN YOU HAVE MANIFESTED LEVELS!

 

[Leathros]

Wild Surge (Su)
A wilder can let her passion and emotion rise to the surface in a wild surge when she manifests a power. During a wild surge, a wilder gains phenomenal psionic strength, but may harm herself by the reckless use of her power (see Psychic Enervation, below).

A wilder can choose to invoke a wild surge whenever she manifests a power. When she does so, she gains +1 to her manifester level with that manifestation of the power. The manifester level boost gives her the ability to augment her powers to a higher degree than she otherwise could; however, she pays no extra power point for this wild surge. Instead, the additional 1 power point that would normally be required to augment the power is effectively supplied by the wild surge.

Level-dependent power effects are also improved, depending on the power a wilder manifests with her wild surge.

This improvement in manifester level does not grant her any other benefits (psicrystal abilities do not advance, she does not gain higher-level class abilities, and so on).

She cannot use the Overchannel psionic feat and invoke her wild surge at the same time.

At 3rd level, a wilder can choose to boost her manifester level by two instead of one. At 7th level, she can boost her manifester level by up to three; at 11th level, by up to four; at 15th level, by up to five; and at 19th level, by up to six.

In all cases, the wild surge effectively pays the extra power point cost that is normally required to augment the power; only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve.

It pays ALL the augment points, not just 1 point.
Or that's what i can understand from this.

 

[nijineko]

Wild Surge (Su)
A wilder can let her passion and emotion rise to the surface in a wild surge when she manifests a power. During a wild surge, a wilder gains phenomenal psionic strength, but may harm herself by the reckless use of her power (see Psychic Enervation, below).

A wilder can choose to invoke a wild surge whenever she manifests a power. When she does so, she gains +1 to her manifester level with that manifestation of the power. The manifester level boost gives her the ability to augment her powers to a higher degree than she otherwise could; however, she pays no extra power point for this wild surge. Instead, the additional 1 power point that would normally be required to augment the power is effectively supplied by the wild surge.

Level-dependent power effects are also improved, depending on the power a wilder manifests with her wild surge.

This improvement in manifester level does not grant her any other benefits (psicrystal abilities do not advance, she does not gain higher-level class abilities, and so on).

She cannot use the Overchannel psionic feat and invoke her wild surge at the same time.

At 3rd level, a wilder can choose to boost her manifester level by two instead of one. At 7th level, she can boost her manifester level by up to three; at 11th level, by up to four; at 15th level, by up to five; and at 19th level, by up to six.

In all cases, the wild surge effectively pays the extra power point cost that is normally required to augment the power; only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve.

It pays ALL the augment points, not just 1 point.
Or that's what i can understand from this.

the part i marked says that you only get one point. also the rule that you can't manifest more than you ml per manifestation (or round, i forget which), and surge increases your ml by only one, ergo 1 pp in the given example. however, see below.

the free part is limited by the number of levels your surge boosts your ml. however, if you have a high ml, and surge, and use most of your pp per manifestation on augmentations and the base cost of the power is a lot less than your ml+surge, then yeah, according to that wording, it would also pay for all the augment cost up to your new adjusted temporary ml.

i guess we are saying pretty much the same thing, only different details.

 

[Wyvernhand]

The last paragraph is simply a reminder to the 2nd paragraph, rather than a new rule. There it indicates that each +1 you get from Wild Surge comes with its own free PP. You still have to pay any other augment costs associated with the power you desire to add. Wild Surge doesn't actually make all of your augment free. Sorry. If it was the way you see it, one level of Wilder would be in EVERY psionic build ever.

I stand by my advise that it would be prudent to make your first psionic character either a Psion or a Wilder, and not try to mix and match.