Psionic Races/Template?

[Leathros]

In all cases, the wild surge effectively pays the extra power point cost that is normally required to augment the power; only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve.


Then that phrase is wrong, it says "only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve" but its not true, u still have to pay the rest of the augmentation? its stupid.

 

[Wyvernhand]

Again...you are taking it out of context. That text only applies WRT the extra points supplied by Wild Surge. It is a reminder to the 2nd paragraph. It is not new rule text, just clarification.

 

[Leathros]

WRT? didn't get that... What does it means?

Anyway, i still don't get it, i have read it in English, and Spanish, both says
that it gives you free augmentation power points for each power u wanna use with Wild Surge, i don't know, i might be blind but i just read it that way!

I mean, cmmon, that phrase its pretty clear !

ONLY THE UNAUGMENTED POWER POINTS ARE EXTRACTED ...

wth?

 

[Wyvernhand]

WRT: With Regards To (also White Raven Tactics, but thats a whole different thread).

Also, you are taking the sentance out of context. You know what context means? That means that what is said vs what is implied is different because of other statements preceding or suceeding the statement.

Lets look at it again, with a bit of snippity snip.

<snip>
A wilder can choose to invoke a wild surge whenever she manifests a power. When she does so, she gains +1 to her manifester level with that manifestation of the power. The manifester level boost gives her the ability to augment her powers to a higher degree than she otherwise could; however, she pays no extra power point for this wild surge. Instead, the additional 1 power point that would normally be required to augment the power is effectively supplied by the wild surge.
<snip>
At 3rd level, a wilder can choose to boost her manifester level by two instead of one. At 7th level, she can boost her manifester level by up to three; at 11th level, by up to four; at 15th level, by up to five; and at 19th level, by up to six.
<snip>
In all cases, the wild surge effectively pays the extra power point cost that is normally required to augment the power; only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve.

In all cases refers to the paragraph right above it. All cases refers to the different amounts a Wilder can surge for, depending on her level. The last statement only really applies if the Wild Surge is the only augmentation provided. All other augments must be paid for seperately.

By taking that last paragraph out of context, standing it by itself, alone, I can see where its confusing. But together, as a whole, it is not, because it is self referential. The 2nd paragraph in Wild Surge is the one that contain all of the rules about how bonus PP are applied. The last statement is simply reminder text that no matter how much you are able to surge for, Wild Surge always covers that many extra PP which can be used to augment the power.

EDIT: Trust me...if it really ment what you think it means, EVERY psionic build would include 1 level of Wilder. Being a Psion19/Wilder1 and being able to cast a 20d6 Energy Ray for 1 PP? Hot dang! And that's not even MODERATELY optimized.

 

[Leathros]

Ye of course, i see your point.
It freaking confusing -.-

thx anyway

in spanish it says a Whole different thing xD

 

[Belzbet]

In all cases, the wild surge effectively pays the extra power point cost that is normally required to augment the power; only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve.


Then that phrase is wrong, it says "only the unaugmented power point cost is subtracted from the wilder’s power point reserve" but its not true, u still have to pay the rest of the augmentation? its stupid.

Hi Leathros and welcome I have been reading this thread and unfortunately I believe you may be reading the word "augmented" wrongly in this context. It can mean two things: (1) a level 3 power costs 5 pp (lets say this power is exactly like fireball, but it does 5d6 damage and you have to spend one more pp for an extra die of damage so if i soend 7 pp it would do 7d6). Now we call that "augmenting" the spell. (2) wild surge augments the spell (read the first highlighted blue sentence above). So, we are talking about two different types of augmentations (it would seem weird it it paid FOR ALL OF THE augmentation). are you saying that a lv 18psion/level2wilder can cast a 19d6 psionic fireball for 5 pp EDIT: better yet a 20d6 energy ray for 1pp, I should have read further???? If so I would have to disagree... But yeah you have to pay for the augmentation that ISNT provided by the wild surge class feature thats the only way it makes sense to me... Yeah we all have to go through the ambiguous wording of the text...

 

[Leathros]

Yeah i already thought that thx for your help guys!!

I think that Human Pheneric is the best choice, or just human. I get 6 feats at lvl 6 with full psion, its awesome.

Some feats recomendations for a Psion??