Question Concerning Behavior And Rules

[Spell]

By your post, it clearly has to do with the concept that being stupid is shameful. Therefore, implying someone is stupid is insulting, because you imply that they possess a shameful condition.

But we've said that that's not the case here. Being dyslexic is not, going by what I've been told, shameful.

c'mon, man! being stupid is nothing to be ashamed of by itself. it's not like the person chose to be stupid. but, even if you know that a person has the IQ of a light bulb, you don't call them "stupid dumbasses" without being mean, do you?
i am sure you can see that!

now, maybe you didn't want to sound aggressive or impolite. cool. but you can't just imply that people have problems of ANY kind, and still hope you are considered nice and polite, can you?

as somebody else has already pointed out, there are ways to state: "are you dyslexic?" in ways that are less or not offensive at all. try to make it your problem. like: "i'm not sure i understand the logic behind your position... can you explain it to me again, please?"

remember that people cannot see your face, so they don't know how to read what you type. besides, if somebody called me dyslexic or dumb or illiterate, even with a smile on their face, i would be quite upset. because, despite being not a mothertongue, i did put a lot of effort in my english...

 

[reveal]

So I would like to be told that one of these statements is false, for the purposes of the EN World forums. I suspect that it is the latter, because people are adamant about the former and appear to avoid confronting the latter head-on. But I would like to be clear on the matter.

How about this?

Do not, under any circumstances, ask someone if they have any kind of mental problems whilst debating them. Period. Why? Because while you may be asking it in an honestly curious manner, tone cannot, and will never, be conveyed across posts on the internet.

 

[Morrus]

What I have a problem with is the fact that they are said to both be true, and I cannot see how it is logically possible for them to both be true.

What on earth has logic got to do with good manners? I think we've found the root of your problem.

Anyway, this thread is just getting silly now. I've certainly nothing more useful to add to the subject, and people just appear to be repeating themselves. I'll leave it open for the moment, but I have a feeling it'll get closed in a bit.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Independently, I do not have a problem with the assertion that it is very rude to call someone dyslexic on the boards. I may not agree, but I understand the the statement. Nor do I independently have a problem with the concept that there is no stigma associated with dyslexia. I happen to agree.

What I have a problem with is the fact that they are said to both be true, and I cannot see how it is logically possible for them to both be true.

So I would like to be told that one of these statements is false, for the purposes of the EN World forums. I suspect that it is the latter, because people are adamant about the former and appear to avoid confronting the latter head-on. But I would like to be clear on the matter.

This is ridiculous, but I feel I have to post once more.

Neither statement is false, but most posters on EN World have enough sensitivity to not try and call out a person on a disability, since we have no way of knowing if they would be embarrassed about it, or knowing if they would be offended by being accused of having one.

You asked of the other poster, "Is English not your first language, do you have a disability, [notice you did not say dyslexic here] or did you mistype?" Perhaps everyone else is wrong, but the tone of this does not appear to be, "My goodness, I am concerned that I may have misjudged you because you may have some difficulties with English. If so, I humbly apologize" It appears to be a offhand way of calling someone out as being stupid, because there is a great possibility that none of the three conditions you listed are true - and in that case you are implying the poster is not as smart as you are, since they didn't grasp the meaning behind the words you used.

 

[moritheil]

This is ridiculous, but I feel I have to post once more.

Neither statement is false, but most posters on EN World have enough sensitivity to not try and call out a person on a disability, since we have no way of knowing if they would be embarrassed about it, or knowing if they would be offended by being accused of having one.

You asked of the other poster, "Is English not your first language, do you have a disability, [notice you did not say dyslexic here] or did you mistype?" Perhaps everyone else is wrong, but the tone of this does not appear to be, "My goodness, I am concerned that I may have misjudged you because you may have some difficulties with English. If so, I humbly apologize" It appears to be a offhand way of calling someone out as being stupid, because there is a great possibility that none of the three conditions you listed are true - and in that case you are implying the poster is not as smart as you are, since they didn't grasp the meaning behind the words you used.

I never said that I explicitly stated dyslexia at the time. Rather, I explained it later.

You are stating that my intent does not matter in whether or not something is offensive. This was contradicted earlier, I believe by a mod, or if not, by other posters. So which is it?

If someone needs no rational reason to be offended by something, then it is impossible to avoid offending people. I will do my best, but it isn't something that I can understand.

Whereas if taking offense is a logical thing, then it is in fact possible to avoid offending people, and we can start by establishing an understanding.

 

[moritheil]

What on earth has logic got to do with good manners? I think we've found the root of your problem.

Anyway, this thread is just getting silly now. I've certainly nothing more useful to add to the subject, and people just appear to be repeating themselves. I'll leave it open for the moment, but I have a feeling it'll get closed in a bit.

Good manners stem from logical deduction of what other people would find offensive. Is this not so?

 

[Morrus]

Good manners stem from logical deduction of what other people would find offensive. Is this not so?

Really. No.

The human race (well, other than yourself, apparently) is not governed by logic, and behaviour and conversation are not directed by logical conclusions. The Vulcan race, on the other hand, is. Unfortunately, they're fictional, and so won't be of any help to you either.

On that note, this thread having reached its critical ludicrousness threshold, we'll close down, I think.

 

[reveal]

Good manners stem from logical deduction of what other people would find offensive. Is this not so?

No it's not. If you have to ask someone how you should behave so as not to offend them, then you do not have good manners.