ZEITGEIST Questions for The Dying Skyseer

Echolocation

Explorer
I have a few miscellaneous questions regarding the second book of Zeitgeist, The Dying Skyseer. For some of these questions, I imagine there is an 'official' answer. For others, I would like to know how DMs/you would personally handle it.

1) When Nicodemous has possessed someone through needlewire, does he speak in a different accent than the possessed target?

2) If the party arrest members of The Family in the wand smuggling of the 4th of Summer, they are contacted by Morgan Cippianno. Their favour with the oraginsation increases to prestige 2. In this instance, are the constables seen as friends or foes? Does this solely depend on whether they release the prisoners Morgan requests of them?

3) Can the party access favours from the Unseen Court in this book? If so, how do they do it?

4) In the campaign overview, there is a suggestion to allow the Ob to try to tempt a technologist in the party to become a double agent. The technologist in my party would never do such a thing, but I would still like to try. When is are some good moments to do this? I imagine after this book, as the Ob is barely known to the party, and vice versa.

Thanks in advance!
 
1) I didn't consider the accent but he was speaking as himself if the players later encountered the same person he would speak differently. The courier had his throat cut in my run through so no one could talk to him
2) Prestige means how capable the group is thought of, it is a very rough system (note you have prestige with the Ob and you certainly couldn't get any help from them in normal circumstances). In this case I doubt Morgan will be offended his men are arrested but when asked for help he would probably try to get his men released as a quid quo pro for the help. Even if the keep the prisoners being on talking terms with the constables is useful to him so he won't stop talking to them and maybe even provide small aid to show how useful being freinds could be. His big picture is taking out Kell and the cops (i.e the cp's could be really helpful) so until its clear they won't deal with him he will try

3) Yes. The same way they access any other they talk to someone they know who knows other people. How they do that is up to you, maybe the Vekeshi (I think you have one) talks to other Vekeshi and they know someone. Maybe the local Brownie if you leave a note and some cookies with his milk can pass a message on. My Vekeshi pc handled all fey contacts (and most others as she was the one with diplomacy)

4) I would not even try it until book 7 really. Then let your players make an informed decision about if they want to join this group knowing what it is and what they want. Otherwise a PC traitor is nothing but a hassle who will cause serious player discord at some point when they are uncovered. Also at the moment you have to either Bribe the pc's or tell them what the Ob want several books early and unless they join the Ob and get a ring casual Divination will reveal them as traitors , certianly in book 3 when they are audited I assume someone uses divination to ask if any of the pc's are traitors . Saxby of course has a ring and is covered. If you really want the hassle now have a pc be recruited by Saxby to keep an eye on the others that way they still can claim they worl for the RHC and won't have to know about the Ob but should work it out when she is revealed
 

Galandris

Adventurer
1) When Nicodemous has possessed someone through needlewire, does he speak in a different accent than the possessed target?
I don't think so. Needlewire allows Nicodemus to take control, but I don't see magical control to be to the level of fine throat control needed to speak like the controler and use his accent. I see it -- and I don't think there is an official answer -- more like a possession with the controller wishing the puppet to say something, and said puppet speaks in his own voice. If you wanted to drop a subtle hint, you could use a more refined vocabulary than a vagrant would use for the courier.

2) If the party arrest members of The Family in the wand smuggling of the 4th of Summer, they are contacted by Morgan Cippianno. Their favour with the oraginsation increases to prestige 2. In this instance, are the constables seen as friends or foes? Does this solely depend on whether they release the prisoners Morgan requests of them?
The reputation level can't be negative, so it really tracks how much the party is noticed, not in which way. Indeed, after meeting Cippiano, they are noticed by the Family. If they help, it will be in a good way and they'll be able to draw favours from them, or they deny everything, they will be seen as harder to get... But it's explicitely noted he won't be against the PCs if they deny him, and he could do another gesture of good faith later on if it suits his goals.

3) Can the party access favours from the Unseen Court in this book? If so, how do they do it?
If they are Vekeshi and delivered the mirror to Gale, they should be able to request favours. I'd mention this possibility to the player, by making a small fey explicitely meet the character and say the Unseen Court is willing to help those who help it. You can't expect the player to imagine his character could start requesting favours by himself.

4) In the campaign overview, there is a suggestion to allow the Ob to try to tempt a technologist in the party to become a double agent. The technologist in my party would never do such a thing, but I would still like to try. When is are some good moments to do this? I imagine after this book, as the Ob is barely known to the party, and vice versa.
I am not sure it's a good idea unless the WHOLE party joins the conspiracy. I wouldn't go the road of having a "traitor PC" as it can lead to resentment between players. Even if the would-be traitor's player is OK to have his character betray and become an NPC, I am not sure it's something that can work unless discussed before... and if you do that, you'll spoil the betrayal, removing most of the interest of it. I'd introduce the idea later only if

a) the players, by themselves, express the idea that th Ob's goal are not misguided
b) only after they are aware of said goal (after book 7). I wouldn't have the Obscurati trying to lure one of them and betray the betrayer after that, but make a bona fide approach to make them take a part in the future new world order.

At least, it could spark a good discussion among the players on the best course of events.


If you look at the sidebar "PC in the Obscurati", they start appearing in Diaspora.
 

Echolocation

Explorer
I don't think so. Needlewire allows Nicodemus to take control, but I don't see magical control to be to the level of fine throat control needed to speak like the controler and use his accent.
Thanks for your response. I believed this to be the case too, until I quickly skimmed Book 7. Towards the end (Battling Nicodemus block), the book specifies:

If the party’s true identity has been revealed, Nicodemus’s voice changes accent and timbre to that of Andrei, who says, “These are not yours to harm.”
 

arkwright

Explorer
  1. I would strongly assume that after 500 years of being the most powerful ghost on the planet, Nicodemus can speak in whatever accent he wants. Maybe by experience, maybe by concealed magic. Heck, maybe he added an additional enchantment into the needlewire for perfect voice control. Or maybe he's just that good at disguise.
  2. I don't believe that the AP offers many different outcomes based on whether faction prestige is due to allegiance or due to rivalry. It just goes 'prestige X, thus Y'. For this case, I'd say whether the Clergy Prestige is allegiant or rivalrious depends on if Morgan considers the PCs as assets or enemies. Go with whatever you think works best, and don't stress; the AP doesn't offer many opportunities to leverage Clergy prestige.
  3. The favor-accessing rules are in the Player's Guide; the players can definitely access Court favors in this book. While Flint does have a lot of fey tech disruption, there are still some fey living in the city. Gale describes her gremlin-contact, and the Vekeshi Mystic handout has some fey assets in the city. I'd suggest the party can get a favor by flagging down a passing contact/speaking to a druid/visiting the Cloudwood.
  4. A major double-agent temptation point is in Book 6, where the party is competing with Minister Lya. Otherwise... could do it when they are pretending to be Ob agents in Book 4, could do it when Saxby is investigating them in Book 3... lots of options.
 

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