QuickDraw

[Latency]

Has the feat QuickDraw been errata or updated from the PHB version? I just find it strange that you don't need to have specialization/Focus in the weapon, and that any weapon my character picks up even if I have never seen it before can now be drawn as a free action. But that is just my 2 cp and I was just wondering what others thought of this Feat.

Thanks

Marc

 

[Destil]

Uhm.... it would be a bit too limited for a already limited feat if it applied to specific weapons, I think. As it it's often not high on a list of must have feats for many, pole-arms users aside... (though most fighters should give it good priorty on the lower end of their list, particuarly if they don't have ready access to haste).

 

[Zigmutt]

Also- I don't know if this is a house rule or the real thing but every DM i have played with has said that you can only perform free actions on your turn- whether speaking or dropping a weapon.

This came aftre anb incident where I was hosed by My DM:
He knows my barb likes to rage and charge into a fight- he had a bow and arrow- and rained down from afar. I charged and he immediately dropped his bow (free) and pulled out a spear (free w/ QD) and hit me as i came in- and then dropped it (free) and drew out his shield and sword (free w/ QD).

I don't know about you- but that was just a bastard move- but he said it was legal...

Actually- he said a lot of things were legal... and screwed the players often.

 

[S'mon]

Also- I don't know if this is a house rule or the real thing but every DM i have played with has said that you can only perform free actions on your turn- whether speaking or dropping a weapon.

This came aftre anb incident where I was hosed by My DM:
He knows my barb likes to rage and charge into a fight- he had a bow and arrow- and rained down from afar. I charged and he immediately dropped his bow (free) and pulled out a spear (free w/ QD) and hit me as i came in- and then dropped it (free) and drew out his shield and sword (free w/ QD).

Ouch - AFAIK quickdraw lets you draw one weapon, once, as a free action in a round. If you have TWF & ambidex you can draw 2 weapons at once as a free action (pity Panchmo the bugbear Ranger-Rogue didn't have it in my Sunday Gaxmoor game, the PCs ambushed him and he never even got a full attack off!)

 

[Cougar]

It actually is VERY functional, much more than most people give it credit for.

This feat allows you to draw any number of daggers to throw in one round.
It allows you to attack in a surprise round if your weapon isn't drawn.
It allows you to take an attack of opportunity while flat-footed in conjunction with Combat Reflexes.
It allows your first attack of a combat to be a full attack action. If you have multiple attacks, this can be VERY useful.
It allows ranged attackers to draw their bows and attack with the full attack action after dropping (not sheathing) thier weapons.

The feat does have a lot of uses and it seems strange that you can Quick Draw a bow and a greatsword with the same effectiveness from one feat. Still, I don't think I would change or want errata for it.

 

[Cougar]

S'mon, Quick Draw can be used to draw any number of weapons a free action. There is no limitation of one per round.


Zigmutt, free actions can only be done on your turn, although many people (like myself) think speaking only on your turn is a bit unreasonable and difficult to play.

What your DM did was legal, although there is a DM imposed limit on free actions where they are supposed to use their judgement. Sounds like he might be designing encounters to specifically counter your character. That tactic he used was a little over the top if he did all that in one round, i.e. drawing two weapons (especially after an attack with one). And nothing is said anywhere about drawing shields as a free action.

My advice to you? Use the same types of tactic against his NPCs. Hell, you even have a roleplaying excuse. You learned it while it was being used against you! You would be crazy to ignore the power of that.

 

[Zigmutt]

the only problem is that the DM has unlimited respources at his disposal, while my char only has a number of feats to throw around. And I would rather focus on my Greataxe than pick up something like that.

 

[mkletch]

It allows you to take an attack of opportunity while flat-footed in conjunction with Combat Reflexes.

From the PHB, p.120
A flat-footed character can't make attacks of opportunity.

When you are flat-footed, you do not threaten the area around you; you cannot make AoOs while flat-footed. This is pretty clear.

We've found quick-draw to be of limited value. Surprise rounds most often occur when you're in an already dangerous area/situation, when you should have your weapon out. If it's in a situation where you are not expecting danger, the DM is the one doing the surprising, and QD will be of no value to the surprised character. Throwing daggers...come on, who bothers? For other melee/ranged weapons, buy a glove of storing and have done with it. Feats are too precious to waste on garbage like quick-draw, even for a fighter. Sure, there are a couple situations where it might help, but I'm sure there's a feat that'll give you more utility.

the only problem is that the DM has unlimited respources at his disposal, while my char only has a number of feats to throw around. And I would rather focus on my Greataxe than pick up something like that.

Zigmutt, the spear set for charge as a free action on your turn was a cheese; you should have thrown one or more dice at your DM for that one...hard. The best cure for a crappy DM is to leave, or don't ask him back. Game=fun. CrapDM=nofun. CrapDM<>game.

-Fletch!

 

[Darklone]

When you are flat-footed, you do not threaten the area around you; you cannot make AoOs while flat-footed. This is pretty clear.

Read the Combat Reflexes description.

Guys: If you charge at someone, that guy cannot take free actions to change weapons.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Also- I don't know if this is a house rule or the real thing but every DM i have played with has said that you can only perform free actions on your turn- whether speaking or dropping a weapon.

This came aftre anb incident where I was hosed by My DM:
He knows my barb likes to rage and charge into a fight- he had a bow and arrow- and rained down from afar. I charged and he immediately dropped his bow (free) and pulled out a spear (free w/ QD) and hit me as i came in- and then dropped it (free) and drew out his shield and sword (free w/ QD).

I don't know about you- but that was just a bastard move- but he said it was legal...

Actually- he said a lot of things were legal... and screwed the players often.

He must ready an action to set a spear against a chargin opponent.

Also, Quick Draw doesn't work with shields.

So he bent the rules twice in order to screw you. If I were you, I'd team up with the other players and confront the DM: either he stops bending the rules just to annoy you, or he has to play with his parents or whatever - because you're all out of his game.