OneDnD Ranger playtest discussion

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Legend
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Incidentally... I do appreciate WotC changing the Barkskin spell. It was my one barest toe dip into the "WOTC MAKES CRAP!" clarion call that so many people love to trumpet year after year and book after book that to see it changed is nice.

Granted... I dunno if anyone is still ever gonna CAST it... but I'm happy to see it adjusted nonetheless. :)
 

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Weiley31

Legend
I hate this ranger. It’s a round-up half caster with all of the non-evocation primal spells, and lost none of its interesting exploration abilities. That’s exactly the opposite of the direction I want to see the ranger move in.
I'd say just keep the Cantrips and the Hunter's Mark. That's about it.
 


I mean, they really need to get rid of spellcasting.

It's not like most of the things the spells can do fit Rangers thematically or are at all interesting. The vast majority of people who actually play Rangers aren't going to miss them, I'd suggest.

You know what they actually need to do? Bring back Wardens. Spellcasting Rangers should become Wardens, the weird Druid-hybrid class. Spell-less Rangers become Katniss Everdeen and her ilk.
If Ranger lost its spellcasting, I'd want to see a new primal half caster to get added to fill that gap. The alternate 4e class options for a primal themed half caster would be warden, seeker, or shaman.
 



TheSword

Legend
I hate this ranger. It’s a round-up half caster with all of the non-evocation primal spells, and lost none of its interesting exploration abilities. That’s exactly the opposite of the direction I want to see the ranger move in.
So you want a round down half caster with only evocation wizard spells, and losing all its interesting exploration abilities?
 


TheSword

Legend
I’m not a fan of cantrips on rangers. To me, rangers rely on skill and training, not magic. Ritual casting would be fine, but the less spellcasting the better, and especially not infinitely-spamable cantrips.
I’m not sure these will be spamable. Or even used in combat in a lot of occasions. They’re flavourful, appropriate and in keeping with the theme.

Druidcraft, Guidance, Mending, Message, Poison Spray, Produce Flame, Resistance, Shillelagh, Spare the Dying, Thorn Whip.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I’m not sure these will be spamable. Or even used in combat in a lot of occasions. They’re flavourful, appropriate and in keeping with the theme.

Druidcraft, Guidance, Mending, Message, Poison Spray, Produce Flame, Resistance, Shillelagh, Spare the Dying, Thorn Whip.
Four of those are combat cantrips, and in my opinion none of the combat ones are on-theme for the Ranger, nor are Druidcraft or Message.
 

TheSword

Legend
Four of those are combat cantrips, and in my opinion none of them, save maybe Mending and Spare the Dying are thematic for the ranger in my opinion.
Yes but not spamable combat cantrips. They are each used for pretty specific foes or vulnerabilities. No ranger is going to be thorn whipping every round. But they might do it when they need to reposition someone.
 


Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Yes but not spamable combat cantrips. They are each used for pretty specific foes or vulnerabilities. No ranger is going to be thorn whipping every round. But they might do it when they need to reposition someone.
All cantrips are spamable, by virtue of being at-will and unlimited. Casting spells is hardly a thing I want rangers to do at all, let alone with no limitations. At least with leveled spells they only get a few per day. They don’t need and shouldn’t have cantrips on top of that, in my opinion.
 



Four of those are combat cantrips, and in my opinion none of the combat ones are on-theme for the Ranger, nor are Druidcraft or Message.

I think this ship has sailed long ago... Now we should concentrate on getting the best half caster ranger possible.

The trend of this UA is evolution, not revolution. Which overall is a nice thing.
 

Yeah earlier in the thread (or a different one?) I was suggesting Warden. I think that makes the most sense and offers the most non-covered ground.
Yeah of the other options, shaman seems largely folded into druid, while seeker would basically be a half caster ranger.

Warden offers its own really unique theme and mechanics in comparison.
 


Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I think this ship has sailed long ago... Now we should concentrate on getting the best half caster ranger possible.

The trend of this UA is evolution, not revolution. Which overall is a nice thing.
Sure, but to me “the best half-caster ranger possible” does not round up and does not have cantrips. To me, the best half-caster ranger possible is one that relies the least on the spellcasting it’s stuck with to be effective. Preferably with some non-spell ability it can expend spell slots to power, Paladin smite style.
 

Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
In my own homebrew, Rangers can treat their favored terrains as a giant ''components pouch'' meaning they always have the components on hands to work their magic. This way their actions are still magical/supernatural, but they are not really wiggling their hands, chanting MANOS POTENTIS AHHHHH in the middle of the woods; they are gathering various mystical ingredients from nature and mixing them to create a magical effect.
 

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