Ranger - Twin Strike kick to the groin?

[ForbidenMaster]

...besides such things as all sword and board fighters qualifying for two weapon fighting.


It's not the attacks I object to, it's qualifying as wielding two weapons.

by your interpretation so long as you have one free hand and one 1-5 lb object you qualify. AKA it would be nearly impossible not to qualify.

For the feat or for the power?

 

[generalhenry]

Yeah, he would have actually be better off doing a basic melee attack.

he doubles his chance of getting his quarry damage in, which more than makes up for the str loss.

 

[generalhenry]

For the feat or for the power?

they have the same requirement.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

they have the same requirement.

No, they dont. For the powers it states that you must wield two weapons. For the feat it states that you must hold two melee weapons in each hand. The difference comes up in that, at least IMO, a shield strapped to your arm and then using it to attack counts as wielding it, but not holding it in your hand. Beyond that, yeah, pretty much anything can be an improvised weapon, and that makes sense.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

he doubles his chance of getting his quarry damage in, which more than makes up for the str loss.

Not by the OPs ruling that the ranger would only get one attack. One attack with no +STR to damage is simply worse than one attack with +STR to damage.

 

[Zurai]

they have the same requirement.

Not true. The feat requires you to be holding a melee weapon in both hands. The powers require you to wield two melee weapons. That's a small and subtle distinction, but it is a distinction. For one thing, you can't qualify for the feat if you're using an unarmed strike, because you're not holding a weapon in that hand. The other important distinction is that improvised weapons count as weapons for powers; there's nothing that states they work as weapons for feats.

 

[generalhenry]

One attack with no +STR to damage is simply worse than one attack with +STR to damage.

true... but I assume the OP ruled the player couldn't use the power and as such made a basic melee attack and hence got the str damage.

 

[generalhenry]

The powers require you to wield two melee weapons. That's a small and subtle distinction, but it is a distinction. For one thing, you can't qualify for the feat if you're using an unarmed strike, because you're not holding a weapon in that hand. The other important distinction is that improvised weapons count as weapons for powers

hmm you may be right. Bow whack + punch does qualify by that interpretation.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

Not true. The feat requires you to be holding a melee weapon in both hands. The powers require you to wield two melee weapons. That's a small and subtle distinction, but it is a distinction. For one thing, you can't qualify for the feat if you're using an unarmed strike, because you're not holding a weapon in that hand. The other important distinction is that improvised weapons count as weapons for powers; there's nothing that states they work as weapons for feats.

I agree with the rest of your post, but what evidence to you have to support the boded statement?

 

[ForbidenMaster]

true... but I assume the OP ruled the player couldn't use the power and as such made a basic melee attack and hence got the str damage.

From the OPs post it doesnt look like he did, although thats what he Ranger should have done.