D&D 5E (2024) Rate D&D 2024

[Benjamin Olson]

Anyways. My thought was that if you actually like 5.2014, you probably won't hate it. If you strongly disliked 5.2014, you'll probably strongly dislike 5.2024 as well.

Love of (and time investment in mastering) 2014 5e is the fundamental reason I despise 2024 5e. While I generally like exploring new game systems, learning 2024 was just a miserable slog because it really does almost nothing new while making enough (often seemingly arbitrary) changes to force a lot of relearning and confusion. And it's just all a little off from the version that won my heart.

Remember that there are two types of diehard Coca-Cola fans, the ones for whom the very similar Pepsi is their second favorite drink, and the ones for whom the nearly the same but wrong Pepsi is their absolute least favorite drink.

But I guess it's nice that me and the people who really hated my favorite game now have something to bond over.

 

[Reynard]

I don't see how that doesn't make using a scale at all completely meaningless.

I agree. What's the point, then?

I don't mean to be salty, but have neither of you never looked at a metacritic score and had that impact your decision?

If folks want to explain why they rated it a 7, fine. Great, even. But the idea that you don't know what a numerical rating is makes me suspect of your motives here.

 

[payn]

Love of (and time investment in mastering) 2014 5e is the fundamental reason I despise 2024 5e. While I generally like exploring new game systems, learning 2024 was just a miserable slog because it really does almost nothing new while making enough (often seemingly arbitrary) changes to force a lot of relearning and confusion. And it's just all a little off from the version that won my heart.

Remember that there are two types of diehard Coca-Cola fans, the ones for whom the very similar Pepsi is their second favorite drink, and the ones for whom the nearly the same but wrong Pepsi is their absolute least favorite drink.

But I guess it's nice that me and the people who really hated my favorite game now have something to bond over.

 

[VHawkwinter]

Love of (and time investment in mastering) 2014 5e is the fundamental reason I despise 2024 5e...

Remember that there are two types of diehard Coca-Cola fans, the ones for whom the very similar Pepsi is their second favorite drink, and the ones for whom the nearly the same but wrong Pepsi is their absolute least favorite drink.

Very fair. I had not considered that perspective. Regarding Coke - specifically, I often switch between Coke and Pepsi, based on whatever is cheaper at the store when I go in. So long as it doesn't have Aspartame I'm happy.

But I guess it's nice that me and the people who really hated my favorite game now have something to bond over.

True. But you probably still don't want to sit down with me to play Shadowrun 20th Anniversary, GURPS, Rolemaster 4e, The Dark Eye, or D&D 3.0...

 

[VHawkwinter]

This is... not true.

Indeed. I have been corrected. The small differences that aren't enough to make me like it, are evidently still more than enough to ruin it for many other people.

 

[mamba]

This is... not true.

the word ‘probably’ makes this very much true though

 

[Reynard]

the word ‘probably’ makes this very much true though

I don't think so. Many folks have convinced themselves that people that like 2014 but don't like 2024 are rare and just embittered or something. The reality is that there are substantive changes that make the game worse (for some people). We can discuss those things, but not if people just dismiss the critics as "haters."

 

[mamba]

I don't think so. Many folks have convinced themselves that people that like 2014 but don't like 2024 are rare and just embittered or something. The reality is that there are substantive changes that make the game worse (for some people). We can discuss those things, but not if people just dismiss the critics as "haters."

I mean, I like 2024 less than 2014, see my post with my vote. Heck, I moved from 5e to SotWW and ToV. I do not think I am part of the majority though or that the majority dislikes 2024, and it is still quite a bit from dislike to hate too.

My thought was that if you actually like 5.2014, you probably won't hate it.

Say 30% dislike 2024 and 10% hate it, that still makes the above statement true, and I don’t think either number is higher than the ones I used

 

[Cadence]

I don't mean to be salty, but have neither of you never looked at a metacritic score and had that impact your decision?

If folks want to explain why they rated it a 7, fine. Great, even. But the idea that you don't know what a numerical rating is makes me suspect of your motives here.

At one point I was trying to avoid work and rated 500-sonething movies on IMDB and my scale was something like:

10 - All time top few greatest (2 films)
9 - Masterpieces (15 to 20 films iirc)
8 - Great films (30 to 40 films iirc)
7 - See it unless you dislike the genre
6 - See it if you like the genre
5 - See it if you like the genre and are bored
1-4 WTF are you doing

I haven't played enough games to probably judge anywhere near that finely, but I'm not sure I'd give any of the dozen or so ttRPG rule sets as a whole higher than a 7. Some campaigns I've played in I would certainly give 8's to. Maybe that makes it not a great scale for me to port over to judging gaming stuff.

Mulling it over, if I had to, I think I give the 5e2024 PHB a solid 7 and the MM a 4.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don't mean to be salty, but have neither of you never looked at a metacritic score and had that impact your decision?

If folks want to explain why they rated it a 7, fine. Great, even. But the idea that you don't know what a numerical rating is makes me suspect of your motives here.

A rating system without a basis for comparison makes zero sense to me. Sorry.