Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

[Brother Shatterstone]

Any thoughts? Rotten fruit?

Honestly? While I disliked most of episode one and thought it could have been attached to episode II (which could then have been expanded upon) I see your plan as rotten fruit...

I love the fact that Palpatine used everyone as tools… Even Vader was a tool. If Luke had turned he quickly would have replaced him without ceremony… (Or at least without much, I think Palpatine did honestly consider Vader a friend... though I use the term loosely in regard to Palpatine whom I doubt ever has a true friend.)

It was interesting to see Palpatine fret over the broken body of Vader… It was probably the first time in a long time that he didn’t have the next apprentice lined up.

 

[CrusaderX]

I just saw the film, and loved it. I give it a solid 9 rating, and it compares favorably to A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. My faith in Star Wars has been restored.

 

[John Crichton]

On the movie, why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan stick together to kill the emporer, and then kill Darth/Anakin? In miniatures skirmish, the first thing you learn is that if you have 2 minis basing 2 equally powerful minis, concentrate your fire on one mini. then kill the other. While I really enjoyed the movie and had fun, I wish the jedi weren't so stupid militarily and tactically.

Not enough time. It was said in the film that they had to move quickly to stop the Sith. The only way to stop the Jedi Order from being destroyed and Palpatine staying in power was to arrest/kill him right away. And Obi-wan had to leave when Padme did to find Anakin - he had no choice in the matter.

 

[Frilf]

In the Clone Wars micro series Mace crushed his chest plates into his lungs. Thus the hunched over remnant of a Grievous we got in the movie. His fighting was pathetic after his injury...The way Obi-Wan owned him was very sad.

Yeah. Missed the Clone Wars series, so I didn't know about the Windu-Grievous thing. He (Grievous) still should have put up a better fight against Obi-Wan, though...

 

[John Crichton]

I don't think the emperor could have defeated Mace with a lightsaber. I think he knew this, and his options became limited to using the Force directly or playing opossum. He knew he had more to gain by feining weakness.

What I'd like to know is why did he change? Was it a side effect of Mace blocking (redirecting?) his lightning or was it that he simply dropped his disguise?

I'm thinking that it was because he dropped his disguise. The face was certainly distorted in the holo-net transmissions. It was we'll timed as it probably took concentration to keep the charade going. Not having to do it in public was probably a relief. Simply being a Sith Lord for as long as he was would have made him look like that pretty quickly.

But, I wouldn't be surprised if the force lightening really did disfigure him.

 

[Jeremy]

I give it a 5.5. Round up to a 6 for the poll I guess.

Things I didn't like:

Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Whiny Vader sucks. Angry Vader is ok. Menacing Vader would have been much better.

Wookies talking to each other.
Very lamely done. Especially after Republic Commando handled Tarful so well. If you want to see an interesting wookie (albeit a very evil one) see Hanharr.

When the troopers took their helmets off and there were more than a few of them around.
They did multiple Agent Smith's incredibly well. But these guys looked horrible. I've seen overcut duplicates of people done better on TV and this is ing ILM!

Padme.
Just about everything about Padme.

The fact that Obi-Wan was the only competent looking Jedi.
Including Mace who talks about not trusting the I-wear-all-black Anakin, SEES him wavering, and then is totally blind sided when Anakin moves to stop him. What happened to seeing a fight a couple seconds into the future? I wouldn't have a problem with the Emperor and Annakin together overpowering Windu. Or even Annakin beating him. Anything but 'oops! I lost my arm.' That sucked.

The Clone Wars animated series did a much better job with the action than the movies did.
Grievous was ing intimidating in the animated series. Admittedly, Windu really put the hurt on him. But here he's always hunched over and running and even when he busts out the 4 arms he doesn't do anything but get his hands chopped off.

Something about Jimmy Smits I'm forgetting really bothered me at the time.

The lightsaber fights in general.
My favorite Jedi remains Qui-Gon and his fights with Maul remain the best saber duels I've seen. Windu's handling of the saber was pathetic.

****

But like I said. 5.5 A few more things I liked than I didn't like. So for all those bad things there were equally as many good things and a few more. But I'm too venemous at this particular moment to give them their due. For good prequel plot and dialog, please see the Clone Wars animated series (Season 1, but especially Season 2), and the Star Wars Republic Commando game.

 

[John Crichton]

1. I got the impression that Darth Plagus was Sideous' master. So, Sideous knew the secrets of immortality and creating life. Right? So did Sideous create Anakin? If so, why didn't Anakin react more to this revelation? "Anakin! I am your FATHER!"

This debate has been raging on other boards and I have stayed away. The implication that Plagus was his master and created Anakin will be debated for years and is the great mystery of this movie. Palpatine also says that he doesn't know how to save Padme but with Anakin's help they could find the secret. He could have been lying but if we take him at face value than Palpatine couldn't have created him, but maybe Plagus did.

I'll have to see the movie again to make a firm choice of which side I fall on.

2. Padme's death. Did she die simply bacause she didn't want to live (pretty selfish since she had two kids to raise) or because Sideous was keeping her alive?

I think that her broken heart place the force choke killed her. Having a dark side power affect you while your body is in such a state of flux can't be good.

3. The dreams. Real or planted by Sideous?

Definately real. Palpatine is a manipulator. He didn't need to plant them.

4. The Prophecy. What happened with this. I figure the Jedi misunderstood it as Yoda implied. Instead of killing the Sith, he estabolished a true balance. There were two Sith, and in the end, there were two Jedi.

Again, something cool to be debated as it has multiple meanings and implications over the course of the series. The Jedi say that eliminating the Sith brings balance because they prevert and twist life. They thrive on chaos and emotion so getting rid of that balances things.

But you can't have Light without Dark. I never really agreed with the Jedi's interpretation of the prophecy.

So, I guess he fulfilled both interpretations, just at different times. It's muddy either way. Yeah, he did make it so that there were 2 Jedi Masters and 2 Sith Lords. But the Force doesn't care about numbers, it cares about everything. And by eliminating the Jedi Order the universe was cast into darkness and ruled by the dark side. But for a moment, there could have been balance.

And in the end, he finishes what the Jedi thought he would be killing both of the Sith Lords (Palpatine and himself). So, I take it both ways as prophecies should. It was mentioned in the movie that only the Sith deal in absolutes. So, in this case, I'll take the Jedi point of view.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Just got back from a second viewing today...still a solid 9 for me.

As for the Prophecy...guys, according to Lucas, balance does not equal 2 Siht and 2 Jedi. Balance means no Sith. Think of the Dark Side like a cancer or a virus...everything is in balance when it ISN'T there. And Anakin still ends up balancing things out in the end.

 

[John Crichton]

Just got back from a second viewing today...still a solid 9 for me.

As for the Prophecy...guys, according to Lucas, balance does not equal 2 Siht and 2 Jedi. Balance means no Sith. Think of the Dark Side like a cancer or a virus...everything is in balance when it ISN'T there. And Anakin still ends up balancing things out in the end.

Isn't that what I said?

 

[Knight Otu]

I voted 8 - About on par with the other 5 movies.

4. On Mustafar, Obi-Wan should offer Anakin forgiveness, and ask him to come back to the jedi.

Offer forgiveness to the person who was in command of slaughtering children, and doing at least part of that dirty work himself? I'd have a hard time accepting that, even from a jedi.

5. Evil should not jog. Evil should not whimper. Evil, especially the evil of the Emperor, the Dark Lord of the Sith, should be frightening. When Grievous's cruiser is having gravity problems, seeing Palpatine running to safety is embarrassing. This man is in control of everything. He should stride purposefully, fearlessly, imposingly.

In that scene, Palpatine is not Sidious. He is still the politician, strong in mind but weak in body. That's the role he has to play to keep his charade up. I'd be very suspicious of a guy who would not run for his life in that situation.

1. I got the impression that Darth Plagus was Sideous' master. So, Sideous knew the secrets of immortality and creating life. Right? So did Sideous create Anakin? If so, why didn't Anakin react more to this revelation? "Anakin! I am your FATHER!"

That's the impression I got as well. I suspect Anakin did not react to that because Palpatine told it as if it was a part of ancient history, or a fable.