Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

[Frilf]

My vote is still a 7, although I have a lower ranking for the other movies, as well, probably

I agree with the points regarding Sidious'/Palpatine's behavior on Grievous' ship. It would have looked odd for him *not* to run for his life. As Darth Sidious, however, he should be mannered and in-control. So, I actually thought Lucas did ok there.

Obi-Wan did Anakin a favor by not attacking him on-sight after Vader's ruthless slaughtering of children. Again, the way this is handled is right on the money.

Darth Plagueis IS Darth Sidious' (former) master. Check out Wikipedia's info on it here.

 

[Psion]

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith was the best of the prequel trilogies hands-down. It's arguably a better movie than Return of the Jedi.

So you're saying it's the best one then?

Speaking of Padme, how is it that this strong woman deteriorates into a mewling, pathetic, weak woman who is completely impotent when it comes to helping Anakin?

Yeah, that bugged me too. In the previous installments, one of the few things I felt got pulled off right is that Amidala displayed hereself as a heroinne.

And in this one, she gets demoted to ingenue. Ah well.

Anyways, I went with a 7. At least the movie seemed to start off on the right foot and the lulls and dialog weren't as bad as the first two, though I don't think the lightsaber duels were the best (heck, I think Phantom Menace's were better). It didn't reach the level of the original trilogy, in no small part because they still didn't manage to get me to care that much about the characters. The Emperor (Ian McDiarmid) probably put in the best performance, and Obi-Wan (Ewan McGregor) doesn't do too shabby either. The rest were also-rans.

The pacing held the film back... not so badly as the first two prequels, but I feel that the movie would have been a lot better if it weren't for some stuttered flow in the middle and the rushed feel at the end, as lucas goes through a mad dash to get Vader into this black armor that is conveniently lying around...

 

[Welverin]

part 1

I must make mention of the final moment of Obi-wan and Anakin's duel. The fight was over and Anakin, cocky and full of power thinks he can out-power his former master. He leaps and gets his friggin legs hacked off, defeating himself.

Don't forget the arm, I need the DVD already so I can see how exactly he did that (likely just hollywood fudging).

Anyway, limbs, who needs 'em!

And Lucas was right: The first trilogy was certainly more interesting. Actual war is much more entertaining than a political war. If he started the story with Episode I, the rest of the films wouldn't have happened.

It may be more fun to watch, but I wouldn’t say it’s more interesting. I’d say the political war, which includes Palpatines machinations, in the prequels is more interesting than the rebellion in the OT.

Yoda casually walking in and taking out the Emperor's red-cloaked guards with merely a wave of his hand. Hilarious.

This got a laugh both times I saw it.

We find out how Obi-Wan and Yoda cheat death and do the disappearing thing, but it comes totally the hell out of left feild at the last minute.

Not if you were paying attention in Ep2 and caught the part when Yoda heard Qui-gon calling out.

We see the Death Star already (it looks) about half-way done. There could be many, many reasons why it takes them 19 years to complete the other half.

No, it was only a skeleton. It does call into how the got the second one operational so quickly, either they were simply more capable of building such a thing by that point or it was started before the first one was destroyed.

No Han was ever dealt with in any way for this movie...HOWEVER, there's a YT-1300 transport that's pretty hard to miss early on in the movie. Knowing Lucas, its the Faclon.

Doesn’t mean anything, there were some in Ep2 as well.

this is insane. people bash and bash phantom menace. which at the very least has one of the best fight scenes in movie history. they think attack of the clones is ok even though its not. and they love this piece of trash?

yikes.

Maybe if you understood that people can have different opinions on things and actually respected that concept it wouldn't be so hard to understand.

 

[CrusaderX]

I found it a bit odd that the whole Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas mystery from Episode II wasn't mentioned at all in III.

The novel Labyrinth of Evil pretty much addresses the Sifo-Dyas issue, but it seems strange that a major plot point from Episode II gets answered in a novel, rather than Episode III.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

I found it a bit odd that the whole Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas mystery from Episode II wasn't mentioned at all in III.

The novel Labyrinth of Evil pretty much addresses the Sifo-Dyas issue, but it seems strange that a major plot point from Episode II gets answered in a novel, rather than Episode III.

Well...truthfully, it would do nothing in Sith but add yet another scene. It was already pressed for time as it was, and it was such a simple, quick explanation that it would have been a waste of time in the end.

 

[Welverin]

part 2

Favorites:
- Grievous and the four lightsabers (didn't watch Clone Wars though, so I can't compare)

It's in the second series; I however preferred how he fought in the first series (he did a fair bit of spinning/rotating around switching lightsabers between his hands and feet).

I am still convinced that George Lucas cannot write good dialog, except for the occasional humorous line. Some of the dialog was cringe-inducing. He's also a master of making events fit his overarcing story and logic be damned; i.e., they have bacta fluid and droids in the Star Wars universe, but apparently they don't have ultrasound, because Padme didn't know she was having twins.

Well, the future lacks certain modern day basics, such as basic forensic science (fingerprints? never heard of them!).

I didn't have a problem with the Wookies. For me it was the flow of the movie, too much cutting back and forth. I didnt get the feeling that 9 months for the pregnancy had gone by more like 2 weeks at most.

Well it was clear she was already pregnant and Anakin had been away for a while, so it stands to reason she was already pretty far along and it just wasn't shown for whatever reason (whether she was hiding it or bad film making).

1. I got the impression that Darth Plagus was Sideous' master. So, Sideous knew the secrets of immortality and creating life. Right? So did Sideous create Anakin? If so, why didn't Anakin react more to this revelation? "Anakin! I am your FATHER!"

It was never established Anakin knew about that (as I recall), an I suspect he didn't.

3. The dreams. Real or planted by Sideous?

Up to us, I like the idea of plants though. It also explains how Palpy knew about them.

4. The Prophecy. What happened with this. I figure the Jedi misunderstood it as Yoda implied. Instead of killing the Sith, he estabolished a true balance. There were two Sith, and in the end, there were two Jedi.

What you need to do is understand what the characters/Lucas meant by balance (a poorly chosen word), it has nothing to do with equal numbers and is about removing the taint of the darkside, which anakin eventually does with Luke's help.

OK help me out here!

Mace and Emperor battle, my position is that the Emperor was playing helpless and could have put the wood to Mace anytime he wanted. He was just doing that to get Anakin to turn.

Agree? Disagree?

Disagree, Mace was supposed to be one of the most powerful Jedi and one of the best fighters, so his taking out Plapy wasn't surprising. Doesn't preclude some hamming up for Anakin though.

I love the fact that Palpatine used everyone as tools… Even Vader was a tool. If Luke had turned he quickly would have replaced him without ceremony… (Or at least without much, I think Palpatine did honestly consider Vader a friend... though I use the term loosely in regard to Palpatine whom I doubt ever has a true friend.)

He'd probably qualify as a true psychopath, in which case he would even understand the concept.

I'm thinking that it was because he dropped his disguise. The face was certainly distorted in the holo-net transmissions. It was we'll timed as it probably took concentration to keep the charade going. Not having to do it in public was probably a relief. Simply being a Sith Lord for as long as he was would have made him look like that pretty quickly.

I disagree on this point, I don't think he looks that different in the holograms (and I was looking closely when I watched Ep2&3 recently). Plus Palpatine has gotten noticeably worse looking through the prequels.

Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Whiny Vader sucks. Angry Vader is ok. Menacing Vader would have been much better.

I have no problem with whiny Anakin/Vader, because that's what leads to menacing Vader. Remember he has almost twenty years to go from what we see in Ep3 to what we see in Ep4, that's a lot of time to stew and become hardened and bitter.

This debate has been raging on other boards and I have stayed away. The implication that Plagus was his master and created Anakin will be debated for years and is the great mystery of this movie. Palpatine also says that he doesn't know how to save Padme but with Anakin's help they could find the secret. He could have been lying but if we take him at face value than Palpatine couldn't have created him, but maybe Plagus did.

I suspect one of them created Anakin, but Palpatine was simply lying about saving Padme, whatever the reason, he's a sith after all and we know he was trying to manipulate Anakin into convert him. So even if he could, why would he?

I found it a bit odd that the whole Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas mystery from Episode II wasn't mentioned at all in III.

There’s no need, I haven't read the book yet and it's easy enough just from Ep2 to figure out it was just another sham perpetrated by Palpatine.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

One thing I picked up on this second time seeing it...the way Darth Vader speaks when he's finally in the armor.

It SOUNDS like James Earl Jones doing a Hayden impression. Just the way he speaks is perfect, and you can really see the burnt and beaten Anakin under the helmet. I had expected to hear the same old Vader...but I'm honestly much happier to hear him not change suddenly to a much older and harder voice.

 

[Dark Jezter]

Speaking of Padme, how is it that this strong woman deteriorates into a mewling, pathetic, weak woman who is completely impotent when it comes to helping Anakin? She spends half this movie crying only to meet her destiny like a spineless weakling. Oh come on! Lucas completely raped that character of her dignity and self-reliance. She was window dressing and nothing more, a terrible fate for what appeared to be an interesting character in the previous prequel installments.

Although I felt that she could have been portrayed a little better in the movie, keep in mind that she is a woman in the late stages of pregnancy, complete with mood swings and physical frailty. While I do like the character of Padme, I think it would have been a little silly for her to be a blaster-toting grrrrl-power asskicker in such a state.

 

[Welverin]

It SOUNDS like James Earl Jones doing a Hayden impression. Just the way he speaks is perfect, and you can really see the burnt and beaten Anakin under the helmet. I had expected to hear the same old Vader...but I'm honestly much happier to hear him not change suddenly to a much older and harder voice.

And as I mentioned, somewhere, he has about two decades to reach that state and it's unreasonable to expect it to happen instantly.

 

[CrusaderX]

There’s no need, I haven't read the book yet and it's easy enough just from Ep2 to figure out it was just another sham perpetrated by Palpatine.

But it wasn't. According to the book, Sifo-Dyas really was a Jedi Master. He wasn't Sidious as many had speculated (since the names sound similar).