Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

[Welverin]

No, you're missing the point.

No, I'm not. Watch the scene in Ep2 where Obi-wan tells Yoda and Mace about the clone army he asks for confirmation about Sifo-dyas already being dead, so if that is the case explain to me how a dead man orders a clone army? This is why I believe someone was pretending to be Sifo-dyas, I never questioned his actually existing and being a Jedi Master, in fact I always accepted that he did.

 

[CrusaderX]

No, I'm not. Watch the scene in Ep2 where Obi-wan tells Yoda and Mace about the clone army he asks for confirmation about Sifo-dyas already being dead, so if that is the case explain to me how a dead man orders a clone army? This is why I believe someone was pretending to be Sifo-dyas, I never questioned his actually existing and being a Jedi Master, in fact I always accepted that he did.

Obi-Wan asks for confirmation, but that confirmation is never given.

Here's the dialgoue, straight from the AOTC script:

OBI-WAN: Yes, Master. They say a Master Sifo-Dyas
placed the order for a clone army at the request of the
Senate almost ten years ago. I was under the impression he
was killed before that. Did the Council ever authorize the
creation of a clone army?

MACE WINDU: No. Whoever placed that order did not have the
authorization of the Jedi Council.

Obi-Wan was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas was killed, yes. But neither Mace nor Yoda confirm this one way or the other. And again, LoE specifically states that the real Sifo-Dyas, and not an imposter, was the one who ordered the army. And nothing in Episodes II or III actually disputes this.

This whole Sifo-Dyas deal is just sloppy script writing IMO, since many fans still don't know what the heck actually happened.

 

[Welverin]

Obi-Wan asks for confirmation, but that confirmation is never given.

Here's the dialgoue, straight from the AOTC script:

OBI-WAN: Yes, Master. They say a Master Sifo-Dyas
placed the order for a clone army at the request of the
Senate almost ten years ago. I was under the impression he
was killed before that. Did the Council ever authorize the
creation of a clone army?

MACE WINDU: No. Whoever placed that order did not have the
authorization of the Jedi Council.

And note they don't say he was actually alive either. So based solely on the movies someone impersonating him is a perfectly reasonable explanation, which is really all I was getting at.

 

[driver8]

I just saw it, Id rate it an 8. There are several things that seemed a little wonky to me, like the early departure of Dooku (loved the surprise on his face before he got it) and the somewhat inexplicable appearance of Grievous. Characters just came into this movie with little exposition.

Of course, if you saw the micro series on Cartoon Network youd be up to speed, but that just seems like lazy moviemaking to me /shrug. I sort of wish parts of this movie were spread or begun in EPII, so so much wouldnt have been crammed into this one.

That aside, I think GL dd a good job of getting Anakin's fall across. He wants to do good, but is conflicted (and if you believed Palpatines Darth Plagus story-poor Anakin was almost genetically born to fall). In the end, I really end up viewing Vader as a rather pathetic figure, albeit a murderous, evil one as well.

And Ian Mcrirmind stole this movie. Ewan MacGregor's Obi-Wan was better, becoming more Aluc Guiness-y but Palpatine here was a scene chewer, wonderfully hammy-the perfect tone for a campy space opera.

EDIT: Oh yea - why do I get the idea that GL was leaving continuity open for more Jedi being alive, since Obi wan and Yoda go to the Temple and turn off the fake retreat beacon? Wonder if that will figure into any future SW projects?

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

That aside, I think GL dd a good job of getting Anakin's fall across. He wants to do good, but is conflicted (and if you believed Palpatines Darth Plagus story-poor Anakin was almost genetically born to fall). In the end, I really end up viewing Vader as a rather pathetic figure, albeit a murderous, evil one as well.

I so agree! but I wonder where this he should be, "a murderous being of pure evil." He repented at the end of RotJ and Luke said many times during that movie that he still felt the good with in him.

Anyhow the best villains are those you can sympathize with.

And Ian Mcrirmind stole this movie. Ewan MacGregor's Obi-Wan was better, becoming more Aluc Guiness-y but Palpatine here was a scene chewer, wonderfully hammy-the perfect tone for a campy space opera.

He did, but this wasn't a surprise for me either... He's stolen every scene he's been in. (and I thinking I'm willing to include the recut of the scene in ESB… Which is about impossible to do 24/25 years latter.)

 

[The_lurkeR]

Saw it Thursday night... gave it a generous 5.

Same hideous dialogue, poor direction, over the top special effects as the last two.

I mean could they really not bother to use real people for the clone troopers? Seriously it's a damn guy in armor! Could they not just use the real actor when there was only one with his helmet off on-screen?!? The abundance of lame cg troopers, and ridiculous amount of floating robots was too much.

The ham-fisted "descent" or "seduction" to the dark side was simply laughable.

Lucas really dissappointed me here. I had fallen for the hype that this one was "different" from the last two. Which unfortunately wasn't true. It's really a pretty awful movie, if it didn't have "Star Wars" in the title I think many people would be less forgiving.

Just imagine giving the base idea, cast, and budget to practically any other writer/director alive... and you'd come out with a better movie. What a waste.

 

[Qlippoth]

I gave it an 8. I thought it easily outshone the 2 prequels, and ranks up there with ESB (though only more viewings will decide this). Of course, it wouldn't be a Star Wars movie without the cheese. I did cringe when Vader crooned his "Nooooooooooooo" (maybe I've seen too many Simpsons episodes make fun of that trope to have an unbiased opinion), and Padme's role did seem relegated to an unimportant damsel-in-distress. But seeing Palpatine's plots finally come to fruition locked me in.

And yes, I loved that C-3PO's memory got wiped while R2 lost nothing--in a way, it gives the little astromech a little gravitas through the series...he may not reveal what he knows, but he's seen it all. And he got to do a little fighting on his own, no less!

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

And yes, I loved that C-3PO's memory got wiped while R2 lost nothing--in a way, it gives the little astromech a little gravitas through the series...he may not reveal what he knows, but he's seen it all. And he got to do a little fighting on his own, no less!

Well he does claim to have been owned by Obi-Wan in ANH, while C-3P0 thinks he's lost his flipping dome, so it pretty much had to go that way.

 

[Wayside]

It's really a pretty awful movie, if it didn't have "Star Wars" in the title I think many people would be less forgiving.

I think the opposite is true. If it weren't Star Wars, even Episodes I and II would have gotten a lot more slack. Or, for example, if this were the first Star Wars movie, if we didn't have any others, people would be touting it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[The_lurkeR]

I think the opposite is true. If it weren't Star Wars, even Episodes I and II would have gotten a lot more slack. Or, for example, if this were the first Star Wars movie, if we didn't have any others, people would be touting it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I disagree.

1) If you read many of the reasons in this thread that people post for liking it, they're fanboy reasons and not actual merits of the movie*. Oooh I saw Antilles, Tarkin, Chewbacca, the Millenium Falcon, the Death Star, a Sith naming ceremony? Oooh we found out why the Emperor is deformed (maybe?), why Yoda and Obi-Wan come back as "ghosts" (but not Anakin).

Therefore...

2) If there weren't any other Star Wars movies, nobody would be seeing this movie at the midnight showings. This movie would have to survive on it's merits and word of mouth. So what exactly would those merits be? It certainly wouldn't be the dialogue, pacing, or acting. I guess the whiz-bang special effects, but that hasn't made many other poor movies do very well lately.

If this was people first introduction to Anakin / Vader there is NO way he would be as popular as he is now. He's just a un-empathetic poorly written character in this film. The Frankenstein ripoff ending scene with the NOOOOOO! whine was hardly awe inspiring.




*(No slight against fanboys intended, they're entitled to their opinion. I just don't think they'd feel the same if they did not have the history behind it.)