D&D 5E RAW: Using Hurl Through Hell w/ Eldritch Blast, Chill Touch, Fire Bolt, ... ?

[WilliamCQ]

Using rules as written (RAW), for Hurl Through Hell, highlight by me,

[...] when you hit a creature with an attack, you can use this feature [...]

can the PC use cantrips like Eldritch Blast, Chill Touch & Fire Bolt to trigger it? Also what about spells like Scorching Ray? I thought those were considered ranged attack spells thus would satisfy Hurl Through Hell trigger but I may very well be wrong.

Thank you kindly

 

[Lanliss]

Using rules as written (RAW), for Hurl Through Hell, highlight by me,

can the PC use cantrips like Eldritch Blast, Chill Touch & Fire Bolt to trigger it? Also what about spells like Scorching Ray? I thought those were considered ranged attack spells thus would satisfy Hurl Through Hell trigger but I may very well be wrong.

Thank you kindly

Yes. Do not have the quote, but as a general rule if something requires an "Attack roll" it is an "Attack", and can trigger things that require an attack.

 

[WilliamCQ]

The following is a chat I had on freenode Internet Relay Chat Network, channel #D&D; the EN World URL in it is to this thread, "ME" refers to me as a user/chatter. I had the permission from the other chatter to post the log here. Other users weighed in the conversation but the one I left seemed to be the most authoritative; however I see some things in the exchange that could cause doubts (to a GM I'd refer to this thread).

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<ME> what do you think about http://enworld.org/forum/showthread...h-Hell-w-Eldritch-Blast-Chill-Touch-Fire-Bolt ? (note the breadcrumb show it's for 5e)
<^elf^> of course
<^elf^> a successful attack roll - melee, ranged spell etc - can trigger that
<^elf^> if being used with scorching ray though, i would only do it on the last attack roll obviously
<^elf^> in that situation its a gamble between trying to make successful attacks multiple times to deal more damage, against the chance of failure and not being able to use hurl through hell
<^elf^> ME, because if you're able to cast multiple attack rolls in your action (eg scorching ray), then immediately sending the enemey to another plane removes it from the table
<^elf^> so you miss out on possibly dealing more damage on your turn
<ME> but the 1st atk that hits hurl him right?
<ME> from the 3+
<^elf^> its your choice
<^elf^> first, third, doesnt matter
<ME> so if the 1st hit is the 2nd atk, but I want to go for a 3rd atk to possibly deal more damage, I could miss, so I can't specify something like: the last hit I hurl him.
<ME> ?
<^elf^> i would rule that as long as at least one of your attacks hit you should be able to invoke Hurl
<^elf^> but in my games we also have penalties for rolling a nat 1
<ME> and your opinion here was from RAW?
<^elf^> roll a 1 and your turn basically ends then and there, with the potential to drop your weapon, deal friendly fire to allies, etc
<^elf^> yes
<^elf^> [...] when you hit a creature with an attack, you CAN use this feature [...]
<^elf^> its up to you
<^elf^> i believe if you're splitting Scorching Ray up against multiple targets, you would have to choose which one of those that you successfully hit to send to another plane

 

[drnuncheon]

I feel like that elf really confused the issue by bringing tactics and house rules in.

RAW, you decide to use HtH after you hit with an attack roll, whether that's a spell or a weapon or a spitwad or whatever. You decide whether or not to use it immediately after you resolve that attack—you can't save it up and hurl the guy later on your turn without hitting him again.

Basically, the decision is made on a per-attack basis at the time you succeed on the attack. You don't have to pre-declare it. So you could hit someone with an EB or SR, decide not to HtH, then hit them with the second blast and hurl them after that. Or you could hit someone, decide not to hurl them, and then miss them with all your other attacks. in which case you lost your chance this turn.

 

[jaelis]

I feel like that elf really confused the issue by bringing tactics and house rules in.

RAW, you decide to use HtH after you hit with an attack roll, whether that's a spell or a weapon or a spitwad or whatever. You decide whether or not to use it immediately after you resolve that attack—you can't save it up and hurl the guy later on your turn without hitting him again.

Basically, the decision is made on a per-attack basis at the time you succeed on the attack. You don't have to pre-declare it. So you could hit someone with an EB or SR, decide not to HtH, then hit them with the second blast and hurl them after that. Or you could hit someone, decide not to hurl them, and then miss them with all your other attacks. in which case you lost your chance this turn.

Yep.