Pathfinder 2E Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank
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Parmandur
Book-Friend
So, Hoard of the Dragon Queen and the Rise of Tiamat are now selling better than every Pathfinder book other than the core: books that are five years old. No dig on the Pathfinder books, I'm just impressed that books that were not all that well received in the online community continue to sell so long: no 3E or 4E books did that sort of sustained business, to my knowledge, yet literally all of the 5E books are still in play.
MockingBird
Hero
Still early but I dont think PF2e is gonna be as successful as Paizo hoped it would be. More time will be needed to tell though. I honestly dont think it will get any better unless some supplemental book comes out that changes the minds of potential customers. I dont see that happening though.
Parmandur
Book-Friend
Depends on what their expectations were when setting up a business plan. Doesn't seem it will be PF1 levels of success, certainly not 5E levels of success, but they might not need that.
I do suspect they planned this around the idea that 5E would be petering out by now...
How successful did they hope it would be?
The mistake people make is thinking ‘success’ is only measured by beating the market leader; which makes success impossible for all but one company.
Ford sells more cars than Ferrari and McDonalds sells more than the most awesome restaurant in Paris. I sell a few thousand books each quarter and do just fine. All these businesses are successful.
Pathfinder doesn’t need to sell more books than D&D.
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The entire industry except Hasbro, basically!
Markh3rd
Explorer
Ok the Barnes and Noble finally got some copies in, but can you tell it's the new edition? If you were a new player would you know the difference between the PF1 books and the PF2 books just looking at this shelf? To be fair 5th edition just says dungeons and dragons on the side also but has the advantage that no more 4e books are on the shelf.
Also as a side note, the 5e player's handbook is sold out. Again. I'm tempted to buy the PF2 core rulebook but after all the errata and editing it needs was announced I'm thinking of waiting on the second printing.
Where was this announced? Sounds like news!
Markh3rd
Explorer
The following errata came from today's Pathfinder Fridays Twitch stream with the PF2 developers:
- Humans are supposed to have one more language (Common + Bonus + INT).
- Your proficiency in simple weapons is also what your proficiency in unarmed should be, including the wizard. Monk is an exception as they are better at unarmed.
- Ki spells cue off Wisdom for the monk.
- Sorcerer is missing a 17th level Resolve class feature, just the same as the wizard's (includes master will save, critical success, etc.).
- Wizards don't get a 1st level class feat by default. This was a mistake. They only get one for being a universalist.
- The adventurer's pack is only 1 bulk.
- Heroic Recovery takes you to 0 hit points, not 1.
The developers said they will be releasing official critical errata soon as well as monster creation rules (so we will have them before the GameMastery Guide comes out).
Markh3rd
Explorer
Thanks! Crediting you in a news article!
To be fair I got that from In case you need the link. I was just quoting that information.
Markh3rd
Explorer
Also PFS isn't going to be at PAX west. Which is a bummer because I wanted to play it there. Acquisition Inc. is having a special non-AL legal game there though using the new Acquisition Inc. Book. Sounds fun. Of course AL will be there also. Maybe someone will be running a PF2 on the side somewhere. They did say that they planned to be at PAX unplugged in December.
dave2008
Legend
Honestly, I had the same issue when I tired to purchase it from their webdsite. I couldn't tell if I was getting PF1 or PF2. It made me not purchase at first.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Really what matters is how much demand they anticipated at this point. If they printed books sufficient to cover demand in the top 100 of books (or even top 500), and instead they are getting top 1300 in books, that could matter quite a lot for everyone who likes Paizo (which includes me). My hope is they're selling at or above what they anticipated sales to be. If it's well below, that could become a very big deal.
MockingBird
Hero
Another thing that can be potentially confusing to new players or someone buying as a gift, is the playtest book.
My local BAM has the same 3 copies of the 2e CRB and 2 copies of the monster book since launch day. Sold out of PHBs for 5e though. Granted I'm sure the PF 2e book is cheaper on Amazon.
Parmandur
Book-Friend
Still outselling the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide for the day, and the Evergreen Hyrule Historia (best Coffetable book EVAR).
