Request: Sub-Forum for WOTC/Hasbro Post

[TheSword]

Agreed. A great deal of the Hasbto/WotC discussion comes about in the context of discussing the new rules - they aren't easily separable.

They really are separable. The function of the business has nothing to do with the rules they put out.

Edition wars were banned a few years back. Not sure why the same doesn’t apply.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Agreed. A great deal of the Hasbto/WotC discussion comes about in the context of discussing the new rules - they aren't easily separable.

So here's the question. And I am asking sincerely ... well, as sincere as I can be.

I don't mind if people want to complain about WoTC's business practices in WOTC-tagged threads. Or threads where it is relevant (like, you know, laying people off or rehiring or whatever it is that is business related). That's not my thing, but I'm not into kink-shaming.

But threadcr***ing is a thing. And it would be nice if we could keep some of the purely "Elf Games / Rules Discussions" type convos going without all the business acrimony.

With that in mind- if people are steering the actual rules/elf game threads into conversations about business, again, is that something that should be reported as threadcr***ing, or would that be too much workload?

 

[Zaukrie]

Agreed. A great deal of the Hasbto/WotC discussion comes about in the context of discussing the new rules - they aren't easily separable.

How is WotC as a business relevant to the rules at all?

 

[Mistwell]

Agreed. A great deal of the Hasbto/WotC discussion comes about in the context of discussing the new rules - they aren't easily separable.

How is a thread about the Hiding rules an invitation to a discussion of Hasbro/WOTC, and how is that not threadcrapping? It sure seems easily separable.

Really I think a reminder at the top of the D&D sub-form to try and keep complaints about Hasbro/WOTC to threads about Hasbro/WOTC and not in threads about D&D rules would go a long way to help stop this stuff. It used to be a Rules Forum, separate from a General Forum. I don't see how it's now a concept that cannot be separated?

 

[Umbran]

It feels like edition wars all over again.

Yep. We are in for a rocky ride.

 

[Zaukrie]

Yep. We are in for a rocky ride.

I'm not even sure I can come here much at this point. It's painful. Truly.

 

[Umbran]

They really are separable.

How is WotC as a business relevant to the rules at all?

How is a thread about the Hiding rules an invitation to a discussion of Hasbro/WOTC, and how is that not threadcrapping? It sure seems easily separable.

You folks all seem focused on the concept, maybe with the idea of a single post that has to be judged in your head, and how it must be easy to work it out for that one post. But I'm talking about implementation and scale.

In times of disturbance, I don't think about a single post. I think about how dozens of them can build up while none of us are looking at the site. I have in mind the cases where I've come home from work to find several threads that are 20+ pages of argument, with dozens of reports, people on both sides of it asserting the other guys started it. While you all, I am sure, feel the instigation is always 100% clear, I assure you that it is not.

I mean, unless you want us to just go ahead and be draconian a-holes with no concern for fairness. If you don't want us to do that, then we have to gather context and think about it all. What you are asking is apt to be hours of work when we actually have to do it.

And that's not even considering the unintended consequences of such policy. Morrus already alluded to them, but none of you seem to care.

 

[Zaukrie]

You folks all seem focused on the concept, maybe with the idea of a single post that has to be judged in your head, and how it must be easy to work it out for that one post. But I'm talking about implementation and scale.

In times of disturbance, I don't think about a single post. I think about how dozens of them can build up while none of us are looking at the site. I have in mind the cases where I've come home from work to find several threads that are 20+ pages of argument, with dozens of reports, people on both sides of it asserting the other guys started it. While you all, I am sure, feel the instigation is always 100% clear, I assure you that it is not.

I mean, unless you want us to just go ahead and be draconian a-holes with no concern for fairness. If you don't want us to do that, then we have to gather context and think about it all. What you are asking is apt to be hours of work when we actually have to do it.

And that's not even considering the unintended consequences of such policy. Morrus already alluded to them, but none of you seem to care.

Actually, we care about this site a lot. Or we wouldn't be worried.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

It's a bit blunt, but if a particular poster is butting heads woth you, it is at least a temporary solution to the friction.

It’s the best thing ever as a temporary solution. 9.7/10. My only note is that I wish I could ignore further posts from someone in a specific thread, but I get that it isn’t necessarily possible much less feasible to implement.

I know that like any trend these conversations will eventually die down, but I will say for myself that I've found myself a lot less engaged in ENWorld because of how many threads about the 2024 edition get taken over by conversations about WotC. I find myself basically avoiding any thread about the new edition (which is most threads!).

Yeah I haven’t posted in quite a while, and I haven’t been checking the forums daily like I used to in months.

I think the only broad solution is for us to report threadcrapping and avoid engaging with it, but I know that is extremely hard for me.

 

[Ondath]

I second @Scribe's idea that the ability to mute thread tags would help solve most of the grievances here. I think people should rightfully criticise WotC when they take a misstep (which is every other day these days), but I also sympathise with the idea that seeing nothing but WotC-bashing can ruin your forum experience. So let people ignore threads with the WotC tag and I think that'll work for almost everyone.

However, if you're posting on threads explicitly marked with the WotC tag about criticising a business-side WotC decision, then keep posting in that thread and then complain that you only see WotC-bashing, that's on you. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I do feel like sometimes people lose the ability to just... look in a different direction.