Request: Sub-Forum for WOTC/Hasbro Post

[Belen]

Actually, we care about this site a lot. Or we wouldn't be worried.

This is light fluff compared to elder edition wars threads.

I do not even ignore them. Heck, I have been called a WOTC hater and a WOTC shill sometimes in the same thread. I just do not care. I am more concerned about the arguments in bad faith or the folks who try to label people by leading them to say something "problematic."

I do think people should accept their victories and move on. The OGL, for example, was a victory and need not be continued.

The recent DDB is a victory although I think there is an argument about preserving content and functionality that people purchased that should be had although that should apply to all digital content like books and movies.

 

[Belen]

I certainly agree that the mood around here has turned pretty negative--I know I'm a lot less inclined to engage these days--but I honestly don't know that there's any realistic way to change things.

Gaming, like just about every other aspect of modern life, has become extremely polarized and a lot of people are just angry all the time. Before long, I suspect enworld will be like family holiday gatherings: somewhere I used to go, in the before times...

Or you just return when it is relevant to you or you feel like talking about the game.

The mood here is nowhere close to as toxic as it has been in the past. I am not even sure I would call it toxic then rather that people enjoyed arguing.

As for polarization, I see no end in sight for it because people just do not talk any more. They argue in bad faith until they can label and dismiss you.

 

[Umbran]

The solution is for WoTC to stop engaging in the behaviors/making the decisions that it has been doing.

But since that's not going to happen...

Or for people to be respectful, which is becoming a harder thing to come by nowadays.

And in this, we see the fundamental issue:

When you are saying it, it is criticism of WotC's choices.
When you're reading it, it is disrespect for the other readers who are not looking to engage on that topic at the moment.

 

[Umbran]

As for polarization, I see no end in sight for it because people just do not talk any more. They argue in bad faith until they can label and dismiss you.

And they fling around terms like "bad faith" when they shouldn't.

What, did you not realize that accusation of "bad faith" was itself an act of labeling and dismissal?

 

[Belen]

And they fling around terms like "bad faith" when they shouldn't.

What, did you not realize that accusation of "bad faith" was itself an act of labeling and dismissal?

Was not accusing anyone although, no, I was not. I also never accuse anyone of it because there is no point. It just starts a pointless argument.

 

[Warpiglet-7]

The solution is for WoTC to stop engaging in the behaviors/making the decisions that it has been doing.

But since that's not going to happen...

I know I don’t agree with…a lot…of what some companies choose to do.

But this is not cause for me to make every discussion about your favorite class turn to those grievances.

And this says nothing about the many deep dives into motives and conspiracies that may not be linked to actual events…

 

[Umbran]

Was not accusing anyone although, no, I was not.

You didn't explicitly point a finger and name a name, but an assertion that, "They argue in bad faith.." is an implicit accusation against some person(s) - the "they" in the sentence. Either that, or it is a made-up complaint.

Ultimately, though, you aren't the issue I'm raising. I'm reacting to the use of "bad faith" in general - whether folks are using it publicly, or in their own minds, it is just another bucket we dump folks in to dismiss them.

 

[Alzrius]

I'm reacting to the use of "bad faith" in general - whether folks are using it publicly, or in their own minds, it is just another bucket we dump folks in to dismiss them.

Which is why people shouldn't throw around the term "review bombing" as easily as they often do; it's just another way of dismissing people's opinion as being made in bad faith.

 

[Umbran]

Which is why people shouldn't throw around the term "review bombing" as easily as they often do; it's just another way of dismissing people's opinion as being made in bad faith.

I think I characterized my position well enough that this is not a valid take on my statement. Specifically, when a ton of reviews come in before the film can be seen that cannot be considered valid criticism.

But, thank you for your input.

 

[Belen]

You didn't explicitly point a finger and name a name, but an assertion that, "They argue in bad faith.." is an implicit accusation against some person(s) - the "they" in the sentence. Either that, or it is a made-up complaint.

Ultimately, though, you aren't the issue I'm raising. I'm reacting to the use of "bad faith" in general - whether folks are using it publicly, or in their own minds, it is just another bucket we dump folks in to dismiss them.

For me, I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around some folks who may look for reasons to find offense.

I do not want to ignore people as I like different perspectives but I find it exhausting at times.