D&D General Requesting permission to have something cool

[Snarf Zagyg]

I am going to call shenanigans. There are tons of purely mundane fighter solutions alongside those magical ones. You are wither not looking very broadly or ignoring the ones that don't fit your argument. They exist.

....not to mention that there is, in fact, a small (but thriving) OSR community that has fighter classes so mundane that they look at the 5e Martial Classes and say, "Hold my mundane beer, magic pants."

 

[Minigiant]

Do you just not like Level Up? That's fine, but you keep ignoring it as an option.

Like I said. Level up Is a rewrite and thus more likely to not be allowed by DMs

 

[Quickleaf]

....not to mention that there is, in fact, a small (but thriving) OSR community that has fighter classes so mundane that they look at the 5e Martial Classes and say, "Hold my mundane beer, magic pants."

Lol, I've played some of those.

Actually had a chance to finally run Freebooters on the Frontier 2e playtest (Dungeon World + OSR mashup by Jason Lutes), and the Fighter character was pretty cool. Dramatically simpler than 5e and of course LevelUp, but simple in a cool way. We'll play one more time to finish up the adventure, but it has two thumbs up from me so far - will get player feedback after we wrap up. Attached the "moves" part of the Freebooters 2e Fighter Playbook.

Also looking forward to trying White Hack - that version of the fighter gets to negotiate anytime it would deal damage and can say "instead of X damage, I want to sever the wyvern's barbed stinger so it can't use it anymore", and the GM can either accept the damage or the effect/condition proposed.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I have actually seen several of your posts since joining the ENworld community 2 years ago.

Oh. Then I can not let it slide and can see it as a purposefully mischaracterization. Good to know!

 

[Minigiant]

I am going to call shenanigans. There are tons of purely mundane fighter solutions alongside those magical ones. You are wither not looking very broadly or ignoring the ones that don't fit your argument. They exist.

I didn't say they don't exist.

I said they typically don't meet the barrier that most DMs place to accept 3pp.

 

[Vaalingrade]

First of all, I think you are mixing me up with a different poster because I have very intentionally stayed out of most of these threads (and should have continued to do so).

No, I know who I'm talking to and the conversations I've had. I don't only post me ideas on the 'Let's Not Disrespect the Martials' threads.

Second, if you have put forth dozens of solutions how could you possibly still be having the problem?

Because shockingly this is a forum discussing official D&D and I want to see official D&D do better instead of foisting their jobs on to everyone else all the time.

If Starbucks has a gaggle of fans who insist the coffee would be better if only I gave them $8 for a cup, then grew my own coffee beans, I'd still criticize them even if I did have my own plantation.

Now, if you feel I mischaracterized you, I honestly apologize. I am arguing against things you are saying, not you as a person and I do not intend it to be personal.

It's personal when you make inferences about people to make a point. Especially when those inferences are readily and demonstrably untrue and get a railroad going that other people hop onto to try to get their own curious licks in with.

 

[Quickleaf]

This was my own design. You can check it out if you like; I can send you a link. Fully agreed that DNDwiki is...well. It showcases what can happen to a wiki that has essentially zero moderation.

A fighter homebrew thing? Yeah, if you're looking for feedback to help hone your design, I can try to help. If you PM me, just give me a brief description of your design intent (along with the document or link) - so many folks forget to do this, and it's super important.

Of course, I'm not your GM, so even if I say "that's wonderful!" my voice doesn't really matter except for the ego boost.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Like I said. Level up Is a rewrite and thus more likely to not be allowed by DMs

I don't see why, nor do I see any value in operating under the assumption that only WotC can provide material DMs will use.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I didn't say they don't exist.

I said they typically don't meet the barrier that most DMs place to accept 3pp.

And I said I don't buy your unshakeable belief in what is the norm for DMs, nor do I see any relevance in thinking that way.

 

[Minigiant]

And I said I don't buy your unshakeable belief in what is the norm for DMs, nor do I see any relevance in thinking that way.

And I said if it was so easy to print out a PDF and give it to a DM, this and other thread would not exist.

If the material exists and most DMs allow it, why does this thread exist?