Return of the Regenerating Undead

[Rkhet]

Has to be Shapechange. Regen is a special quality, which isn't covered by PAO.

Non-FR pcs can use Extraordinary Spell Aim to exclude themselves from the AMF. But you still can't cast anything with range greater than 'self'. Quite a high opportunity cost for a wizard with level 9 slots.

 

[Rkhet]

For DMs, the Atropal(ELH/SRD) is a regenerating undead right out of the box. Obscenely powerful for CR 30.

 

[Hawken]

Well ... there's nothing in the template description of Half-Dragon that prevents it from being applied to a half-dragon (other than rediculousness)

How about logic? Or even simple math? Only one "Half" template can be added. The other half is the character's base race. This may not be spelled out since the writers likely assumed enough intelligence in the reader to catch that point. These are not legal books, not everything has to be spelled out.

 

[Jack Simth]

How about logic? Or even simple math? Only one "Half" template can be added. The other half is the character's base race. This may not be spelled out since the writers likely assumed enough intelligence in the reader to catch that point. These are not legal books, not everything has to be spelled out.

Why must the half template refer to a full half? Why not a third? After all, the template specifically says

“Half-dragon” is an inherited template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

and nothing in the template changes the creature away from a living, corporeal creature. As a Trollish Half-Dragon is still a living, corporeal creature, the template specifies that it can then be added.

Granted, it's rediculous. It is, however, technically within the rules.

 

[TheGogmagog]

I agree most DM's wouldn't let you take two half-templates. At the very least you wouldn't get the +8 to strength twice. Hmmm. what about a dragon with a half dragon template....
Well, either way, taking a half dragon template for energy immunity is pretty wastefull, the ECL you are talking about rings of greater protection from energy should do fine, and then spells for immunity after that.

So dropping the half-dragons you have:
Start with a troll (6 HD, +5 LA) ... 5 levels of Wizard ... and 7 levels of Pale master ... and you have 6+5+7=ECL 18 **; CR: 5 (troll) 5 (wizard levels) + 7 (pale master levels)=CR 17 (probably 15 for non synergy of troll and wizard); HD: 6(troll)+5(Wizard)+7(Pale Master)=18
Edit **6+5+5+7=ECL 23

Did Jack Simth have a duplicate 5 in his ECL calculation?

So you are character level 18, but cast as a 9th level wizard. Your attack bonus and damage would be about the same as a 9th level fighter. That makes you a less than ideal wizard, but by selecting utility/protective/enhancement spells you might be a moderate fighter. Immune to most physical damage, but not a lot of hitpoints when someone does start affecting you. With -4 Inteligence/Charisma 5th level spells are probably the highest you will see, so from there you advance as Troll or Fighter?

Your worst enemy would be transmutation and save or die spells, but your fortitude would be your highest save with constitution modifiers. It would be interesting to see, I doubt it would be as powerful as it seems. The big downside is not many of my campaigns would allow for either a troll or a pale master, let alone a combination.

 

[Jack Simth]

Did Jack Simth have a duplicate 5 in his ECL calculation?

Let's look at that again:

Start with a troll (6 HD, +5 (first five) LA) ... 5 (second five) levels of Wizard ... and 7 levels of Pale master ... and you have 6+5(first five)+7=ECL 18;

(Extras) added for highlighting.

Appears you missed one, although I could be wrong.

 

[TheGogmagog]

Appears you missed one, although I could be wrong.

Oh, I see where I was confused. The 5's are fine, one for the troll LA and one for 5 level wizard. I dropped the 6 from the half dragon, it's the other 6 that I was wondering about. 6+5 LA fror being a Troll or just +5?
Sorry, as I said monstrous races don't come up much in my games.

 

[Azrael]

If you made it one of the variant trolls from MM3, some of them are immune to either fire or acid already, so pick the right half dragon and you're laughing

 

[comareddin]

What about a ...

Well, you could just use a tarrasque as your base creature. IIRC nothing dealt normal damage to it.

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