[Review] The Hulk

Krug said:
Yah perhaps but it wasn't deliberate. Only in Act 3 did we know WHAT David Sr decided to do in the kitchen. :)

I only knew for sure? Yes. Was I surprised by the revelation? Nope.

Regardless, I think it's a pretty silly objection to the movie. Because the movie manages to "outsmart" some of its audience, it is a poorly-written movie? Maybe. I've seen movies that rely on unsupportable plot twists to put one over on people. That, I think, doesn't apply to The Hulk.

The script did have its problem, to be sure. Glaring plot hole: While T-Bolt, representative of the U.S. gov't, interrogates David Jr. about his father's whereabouts, Betty finds David Sr. by calling Human Resources.

Now I know military intelligence isn't all its cracked up to be, but come on. :D
 
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Mark Chance said:

The script did have its problem, to be sure. Glaring plot hole: While T-Bolt, representative of the U.S. gov't, interrogates David Jr. about his father's whereabouts, Betty finds David Sr. by calling Human Resources.

Now I know military intelligence isn't all its cracked up to be, but come on. :D


Actually, David told Betty her that the old guy working at their company said that he was his father.

David didn't say this to T-Bolt
Betty didn't say this to T-Bolt

At that point, T-Bolt didn't even know that the Sr. Banner was in the picture, and was questioning Banner Jr. on how much involvement Sr. had.
 

Default Name Player said:
David didn't say this to T-Bolt
Betty didn't say this to T-Bolt

At that point, T-Bolt didn't even know that the Sr. Banner was in the picture, and was questioning Banner Jr. on how much involvement Sr. had.

T-Bolt obviously had reason to think the father was involved, or he wouldn't be asking the son where Daddy could be found. A routine check of people with access to the labs at the university would've turned David Sr. up in a relatively little amount of time, especially since the university HRO was way too free with handing out personal information to people who ask. The entire set up was shoddy plotting. I guess T-Bolt never watches CSI. :p

Another shoddy plot point: The whole electric chair set up at the end of the movie. That was so much more sensible than continuous sedation. :rolleyes:
 
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Mark Chance said:
Another shoddy plot point: The whole electric chair set up at the end of the movie. That was so much more sensible than continuous sedation. :rolleyes:
My wife leaned over and whispered, "Couldn't all of this have been avoided with a single IV drip?"

and now, Wormwood's Capsule Review: the Hulk

Feh.

I'm not a very bright buy. I am aware of my intellectual limitations, and am comfortable within my bounded horizon.

That said, I just wanted to see comic book movie. You know, where big guys jump around and do cool comic-book stuff---like hitting people with telephone poles, doing 'fastball specials', and all those other comic elements palpate my geek gland.

Instead, I got...like, a real film.

Did I already say Feh?

Good.

My advice, watch it in the manner our grandfathers had to watch porn: enjoy the brief interludes of 'good parts' and use the 'talky parts' to clean up after yourself.

spoiler-filled ps.

Luckily, the Hulk doesn't ever actually hurt anyone---well, anyone aside from the Evil Capitalist character (boo. hiss), but if the Hulk didn't kill him I'm sure a Velociraptor would have eventually.

Real quick question: Bruce and the Noble Altruistic Scientists are working on the [cure for cancer/secret of immortality]. Suddenly Evil Capitalist (boo. hiss.) shows up and threatens to buy them out and sell their research to the Military (boo. hiss...oh wait, it's post 911. Are we supposed to reflexively boo/hiss the military anymore?)

My question is, why would Evil Capitalist (boo. hiss.) sell the [cure for cancer/secret of immortality] to the military for maybe a billion, tops---when his company could market it themselves and make hundreds of billions?

Boo. Hiss.
 
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HULK MOVIE BAAAD!

Ugh....what can I say but....BAD.

The story, while vaguely interesting, is force-fed to you. There are no hints, so subtle nuances or even the slightest bit of foreshadowing, just: HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS! ENJOY!....which i didn't.

The only emotion Bruce Banner displays in the entire manner is "I'M PISSED OFF!", of wait, there was a little bit of crying at the end when he sees his pretty lady friend and when his daddy yells at him, but that's about the extent of it.

Fight scenes were downright AWESOME, which is the only redeeming factor of the movie. I just love the ending fight. I'm not going to spoil it for those who are still going to see the movie, but his father is a bit of an...everything elemental. Which is nice.:)

Then there's the weird screen-splitting that goes on constantly. I seriously thought when I first saw this stuff that someone royally messed up in the editing room, but it became more obvious as the movie went on that they were trying to make the movie look like a comic book. Interesting idea, but bad results.

Ugh, I just gotta say. There's this one scene where the general calls the president for clearance to use all the force in the US arsenal short of nukes :rolleyes: and of course gets the ok. But they show a five second clip of some old corporate-looking guy fly fishing surrounded by secret service guys, wearing a commemorative U.S.S. Kittihawk Baseball cap. He stares right at the camera holding up the cell phone and says (and I'm serious): "Just fine. You do that. Keep me posted." My jaw dropped at the horrible cheesiness of it all.

And there is one military death in the whole movie. To those who've seen it: remember that pilot who took the hulkster for a ride? He kinda shot off into space.

And the last scene in the entire movie just SCREAMS last minute pulling of ideas out of the writer's you know what.

If it weren't for the cool effect and good fights, I'd have to list this as a B movie for all the quality in it.
 

Craer's Review: Hulk

Minor spoilers.












Quite frankly, I loved it. I do not read the comic. The closest I come to being a comic book geek is the pile of comics that my LGS was throwing out anyway because they couldn't sell them. So whatever. I knew the basic story of The Hulk before I went into the movie. I went in expecting high-flying action, and somewhat of a leave-your-brain-at-the-door action movie. Instead, I got a *real* movie. I thought that the actors wre believeable, Banner Sr.'s actor was perfectly cast for his role, and that the actor who played Banner Jr. was very good (although he kept reminding me of Ash from Evil Dead/Army of Darkness for some reason. It might have been his chin.).

The fight scenes were downright astounding. There were some points where I wanted to leap out of my seat and cheer. The dogs were vicious. That was good, because that's what they wanted them to be - vicious. Hulk fought in a no-holds-barred kind of way, clawing and slamming and smacking just as violently as the dogs. It made sense because that is what Hulk represents to me: unleashed, roaring, slathering, scream-and-scream-and-scream-some-more RAGE .

The scene at the end with Banner Sr. yelling at Banner Jr. was very well done. It think that it truly captured Banner Sr.'s frustration that he couldn't continue his work unfettered. And what happens after that...

That final scene rocketed this movie into the position as my favorite movie, ever. It'll be hard to top this one on my list.

Respectfully yours,
Craer
 
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Mark Chance wrote:
You were actually strung along by the "mystery"? I thought it fairly obvious by the screams of terror from behind the closed door and the flash of David Sr. gripping the knife. Actually, by the time of the David-Jr.-Packs-for-College scene, rather early in the film, it was clear that David Sr. had killed his wife.

and also wrote:
Regardless, I think it's a pretty silly objection to the movie. Because the movie manages to "outsmart" some of its audience, it is a poorly-written movie? Maybe.

If you re-read my original post (first review), I am mostly annoyed by the results of trying to keep the tragedy of his early childhood a secret from the audience, NOT annoyed by the fact I couldn't figure it out before it was revealed in Act 3.

Like you, I also was pretty darn sure (like 98% sure) he killed the wife at the young Bruce going to college scene. My criticism is that they continue to have these scenes where other characters talk to Bruce and don't say what that tragedy is. Its annoyingly forced. In reality, General Ross would've just told him after he realized that Bruce had repressed that memory. Anyways, its not like this one point I brought up toppled the movie. If that was the only mistake I found with the movie and the rest of it was good, I would've ranked this movie higher.

In my list of criticisms, it was just one of many. I wasn't really listing them in order of importance. Just whatever came to my mind at the time of writing.


p.s. I thought the cgi was good. No complaints with the Hulk on screen. But again, from my above post, you all know its not the cgi I had problems with. Although I know some people love to jump on the anti-cgi train with movies like this. Just wanted to let you all know I'm not one of them. :)
 

Kai Lord's spoiler free review (the only one that matters :cool: )




Awesome. A rompin' stompin' comic book adventure with the artistry of an independent film and the acting and directing of an Oscar-bait period film. The writing ranges from typical comic book fare and inside jokes to fantastic and risky material the actors really get to sink their teeth into. Nolte's monologue toward the end of the film while Bana faces him in the chair is the best example.

The split screen editing was utterly brilliant, not only was it evocative of comic book panels, it was just so damn functional. Sometimes giving two or three perspectives of an actor's performance or reaction, I found it to give a thoroughly enticing "layer effect" to many underlying emotions. And ooooh boy are there ever emotions. More on that in a sec.

Having already been groomed with the split screen approach in Phone Booth, it actually took me a second to realize the point of the technique this time was to give the feel of a comic book. The reason for the lapse is because this technique would have worked in any movie, not just one based on a comic.

Complimenting the split screens are some very nice transitions through a number of montages. Ang Lee did an impeccable job of keeping the non-action scenes almost as visually compelling as the action scenes. Almost. :cool:

Because those action scenes are just so damn cool. The best damn representation of superhero "combat" EVER. The era of the faithful comic book translation has arrived. Period. If they can do the Hulk, they can do anything. Hell yeah.

I'm not even going to get into details of the action sequences, they're just that damn good, and I don't see the sheer exhiliration factor as even being remotely debatable. If you don't buy into Ang Lee's tale of repressed emotions and damaged childhoods, the action will make it worth the price of admission, every time, unlike say Matrix Reloaded. Suffice it to say that the sequence of Hulk vs. the tanks is my favorite. And not because some of the soldiers clearly die, despite what previous reviews in this thread would have you believe. I sat through the final fourth of the movie as enraptured as a child so thrilling were the visuals and drama.

And yes there's drama. Like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, underneath the amazing action and choreography is a permeating thread of emotional repression. Instead of just paying lip service as an excuse to cram more "Hulk smash" onto the screen, Ang Lee actually addresses it, and has his actors....brace yourself....talk about it. Not in a story halting pretentious and unnecessary fashion like Matrix Reloaded, but in a way that seems natural for characters under those circumstances.

This was very important, because when the action does hit, we all know how effectively invulnerable the Hulk is, so Lee gives us tension not from the perspective of "will Hulk be able to smash the tanks and choppers" (of course he will!) but will there be any undoing of the destructive ramifacations and any chance for a normal life for the poor human being inside. That is why Hulk is a great movie.

Lee delivered a nearly perfect balance of mind blowing action and compelling drama. Time will tell where this film ultimately stands, but it clearly deserves a place on that exclusive upper shelf of comic book films, right next to Superman: The Movie and Spider-Man, as not just a comic book film, but a great film that happens to be based on a comic.

EDIT: To chime in on the CGI, I found the Hulk's interaction with his environment to be spectacular (or should I have said "Incredible" :cool: ) in its authenticity while his visual "realism" ranged from a bit below Gollum (usually indoors or when light was low) to every bit as convincing and maybe even a bit better (most outdoor daylight sequences).
 
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OK, my mini-review

Good Movie that came close to being really amazing, but put itself to sleep before it got there.

I liked the storyline, but did not see any point in all the dwelling on things without advancing the importance or understanding. I mean, we got it pretty early on.....

Anyway, the action, we it got there, was GREAT.

My real dissapointment is that I would like to see my comic books played with a more real to life feel, just with a comic hero thrown in. I am afraid that Ang Lee took that idea to far, the Hulk will not make as much money and future comic movies will be dumber than before.
 

Kai Lord said:
EDIT: To chime in on the CGI, I found the Hulk's interaction with his environment to be spectacular (or should I have said "Incredible" :cool: ) in its authenticity while his visual "realism" ranged from a bit below Gollum (usually indoors or when light was low) to every bit as convincing and maybe even a bit better (most outdoor daylight sequences).

Agreed. The CGI rocked.
 

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