Revised CRs/ECLs continuation thread

[green slime]

Ummm....

Apart from drugding through this very long thread to wheedle out the particulars, is there anyplace where one can find the "collected CR revision" document in one handy pdf/doc/txt/html file?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there Green Slime mate!

Ummm....

Apart from drugding through this very long thread to wheedle out the particulars, is there anyplace where one can find the "collected CR revision" document in one handy pdf/doc/txt/html file?

There are two threads where you can download a pdf of the CR/EL Revision Document in full.

However, I recently lost all my bookmarks during some computer trouble and I don't have a direct link anymore...actually just realised there is a link at the start of this thread. DOH!

Link to Version 1.0 which has been downloaded 364 times (thanks for the support all)

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45989

Does anyone still have the link to Version 3.0? Nevermind I will just post Version 3.0 here.

However you may be better off waiting a week (or so) until I have version 4.0 up and running.

 

[Knight Otu]

Uh, Oh, that's almost a deadline you set there...

 

[Upper_Krust]

The new Size factors.

Hi all!

I reworked the size factors to much more detail and arrived at the following:

Fine: CR +0.15 (yes thats a plus)
Diminutive: CR -0.6 (yes its better than Tiny)
Tiny: CR -0.75
Small: CR -0.4
Medium: CR +/-0
Large: CR +1.5
Huge: CR +2.5
Gargantuan: CR +4.4
Colossal: CR +5.3

Consider those changes in effect for V.4

Also I will be instigating a New Factor 'Damage' (for when damage deviate from the norm), removing an old factor 'Epic Abilities' (which is subsumed by the Unusual Abilities Factor) and tweaking the 'Multiple Attacks' factor to include a negative penalty for attacks weaker than a Fighter (something which is already incorporated into class features, in the Design Parameters section. I may have to redo that one altogether since its tied to BAB progression. Don't know how I missed that.

Edited to add the Speed changes.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Knight Otu mate!

I trust you are keeping well? Keeping busy in the Monster Forums I see.

Uh, Oh, that's almost a deadline you set there...

Thats okay, I can always go back and edit the post later.

 

[Knight Otu]

I'm not sure if it was talked about already, but did you do something about your speed parameters?

While it should be obvious that this shouldn't be the case, but your text did indicate that it would be possible that a creature would suffer a negative adjustment to CR from an additional low speed...

 

[Knight Otu]

Hi Knight Otu mate!

I trust you are keeping well? Keeping busy in the Monster Forums I see.

Indeed. My favored home at the moment, given that the PbP games I was in died comparably early deaths.

Thats okay, I can always go back and edit the post later.

Lol!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again mate!

I'm not sure if it was talked about already, but did you do something about your speed parameters?

While it should be obvious that this shouldn't be the case, but your text did indicate that it would be possible that a creature would suffer a negative adjustment to CR from an additional low speed...

Not sure I am picking you up right...

If a Large creature typically has 40 ft. speed, one with only 20 ft. speed would have a -0.2 CR modifier.

Which reminds me I forgot to include Movement in the above size mods...DOH!

 

[Knight Otu]

Let's say a colossal creature has a clumsy flight speed of 5 feet. Logically, it would be very slightly more dangerous than without the flight speed (but the increase in danger would be miniscule enough to say that it would not increase the CR).

Someone who does not think about that though, might miss the logic, which would lead to a negative adjustment to CR.

Admittedly, that should normally be rare, but seeing some of the posts all over the web does not make me hopeful that it will be rare. (and of course, such a creature as above should propably considered badly designed).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again mate!

Indeed. My favored home at the moment, given that the PbP games I was in died comparably early deaths.

Sorry to hear that!

Still my friend S'mon runs PBEM games now and again (don't think he is running one at the moment - hes pretty busy right now); next time he starts one up I will let you know - just incase you are interested.