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A kobold yelling Bree-Yark would be something of a rarity for his kind. It would mean that he had been raised by goblins, or was a student of thier language (quite an accomplishment for the typical kobold). :lol:

Hey man give me a break- it's been like 19 years since I read the module... I thought it was the Kobolds. :)


Oye... I'm old now. :(
 

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That wouldn't be the same as every DM-run kobold having darkvision while every player-run kobold being required to not have it because of "rules balance".

But it still goes with the theme that I think trumps everything being talked about here - PCs are special and not like others of their own race. That specialness can be alot of things, including not having darkvision.
 

Having color sight isn't an intrinsic part of being human. It isn't essential to human-ness, and doesn't have a significant impact on survival in a typical human environment.

Being blind in the dark without some compensatory senses when the rest of your race is perfectly at home in the dark IS a significant barrier to survival- the kind of distinction that would, in the RW, denote either a significant mutation if not a separate species or subspecies.

IOW, kobolds without darkvision would likely either be "Surface Kobolds," and have a lifestyle completely different from their subterranean, darkvision-equipped cousins, or be outcasts who were abandoned at cave mouths due to their being severely incapacitated in the warrens- useless mouths to feed, if you will, that the tribe cannot afford to support- and thus the possible first members of what would become "Surface Kobolds."

What you just said - they are PCs becuase they are inherently different from their race.
 

But it still goes with the theme that I think trumps everything being talked about here - PCs are special and not like others of their own race. That specialness can be alot of things, including not having darkvision.

Oh don't we know. Another "special" feature includes having a multi-million gold piece economy all operating for the benefit of a few people.
 




Oh don't we know. Another "special" feature includes having a multi-million gold piece economy all operating for the benefit of a few people.

It boils down to this is a different game. It also boils down to the same fact that monsters/npcs are built differently than PCs.

The assumptions are something that you may not like.

History is riddled with species that have examples of being special, and not forming another species entirely.

Are you saying that by having 1 PC (or even a handfull of them) kobold in the world that is different is somehow unbelieveable? I think the opposite.

Maybe having darkvision is one of the reasons WHY they are not with the other Kobolds. It doesn't matter. Or it just could be an oversight or mistake in the original entry that is not fixed. Is a kobold with a 20 or 22 strength a problem? it is outside their racial abilities after all.

The fact is that there are not PCs walking around in the default assumption of the game. PC Kobolds, Minotaurs, or whatever non default race you would like are even a lot less.

If you want to change the default assumptions, feel free. It is, after all, a Role Palying Game, and one of the staples is that your game is different than mine, on some kind of scale.

Now the Character Builder, to me is a fail by having 2 Minotaur races that PCs can take. The one from the MM should be replaced in favor of the other one. In fact, I like that things get updated on a regular basis with the application. That way, we can apply the fixes evenly.
 
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It boils down to this is a different game. It also boils down to the same fact that monsters/npcs are built differently than PCs.

How does that logically conclude with PC kobolds, or even just NPC kobold characters, being unable to see in kobold communities?

Are you saying that by having 1 PC (or even a handfull of them) kobold in the world that is different is somehow unbelieveable? I think the opposite.

Who has said that? Point to the post, exactly, in which anyone says it's unbelievable for one or more kobolds in the world to lack darkvision.
 

What does being a PC have to do with being an apostate?
Intentionally obtuse?
Something about being a PC != evil
makes it very likely a Kobold PC would be extremely different
religiously don't you think....

There can be any of a dozen reasons but since
there isnt even a pc write up for kobolds just a
half jotted off MM entry (with warnings to that effect)
... shrug you are still just arguing non-entities as far as I am
concerned.. The PC could have no Darkvision... not saying
they will (there is precedence for PC's having it) and still
make perfect sense
 

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