Richard Baker on Orcus and Deity Slaying

[Orcus]

At least until Orcus gets his hands on the GSL.

--G

Word!

Clark Peterson, President of Necromancer Games, proud maker of "crappy third party products". Cause if that guy hates them, I want to be hated.

 

[frankthedm]

Wish I had heard about The Primal Order years ago. i was hoping the 4e ruleset would have encompassed more of it.

http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/sample.html?id=330

http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_2459.html

 

[see]

very nice book for the time.... it's about what almost 20 years ago?

"© 1992 by Wizards of the Coast, Inc." So sixteen years.

And, well, who can resist a book with notes on how to use it with AD&D, RIFTS, GURPS, and Synnibarr?

 

[Psion]

Lizard, he's banned for a week. No need to beat this horse any further.

Aw, c'mon!

 

[AZRogue]

He's not getting called out because he hadn't heard of it. He's getting called out for making a raft of assumptions about another poster then expressing his "undying hatred" towards DM Blake who was trying to suggest a book that he has found useful in his game.

No, I understand, and certainly wasn't trying to leap to any defense. I was just saying that I see how he thought it was an unknown 3rd party product. Obviously how he reacted to that assumption is what led to his ban, not the assumption itself. It's all good.

 

[Doug McCrae]

He's gotten kicked off the boards at RPG.net a lot, too.

That doesn't mean anything, I'm perma-banned there. Those drugged up communists have no taste.

 

[Zil]

Well, remember, 4E scales differently. That is, each individual level increase is less of a big deal than it was in 3.x. So, getting together like 10 30th level adventurers to take down something that should normally outclass a party is probably a much more reasonable option, if you really have to go out there and take down Moradin himself.

This all sounds so World of Warcraft. And so not the D&D I've been playing and enjoying for the past 28+ years. To each their own, I guess, but talk of god killing being enshrined in the rules is what first tipped me off that 4E was probably not for me. Sure, minor demon lords, maybe even weak avatars, weakened fallen gods or other quasi divine things, perhaps. But killing a greater god? Sheesh. That's just way too munchkin for my liking.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

Well you figure that when your talking on these demons and gods (after going through a long plotline to even have a chance of beating them) your going to be level 30. Which is essentially level 40 or more in 3.5.

 

[DandD]

This all sounds so World of Warcraft. And so not the D&D I've been playing and enjoying for the past 28+ years. To each their own, I guess, but talk of god killing being enshrined in the rules is what first tipped me off that 4E was probably not for me. Sure, minor demon lords, maybe even weak avatars, weakened fallen gods or other quasi divine things, perhaps. But killing a greater god? Sheesh. That's just way too munchkin for my liking.

I guess that you are aware of the existence of those deity-books with their stats that TSR and Wizards of the Coast produced, aren't you?

Killing gods in whatever form has always been possible in D&D in all editions. Complaining about D&D 4.0 making it possible to kill gods is baseless, as you could do that in all prior editions too, and only the preferences of the Game Master and/or the Players involved decided if they really wanted to use those rule supplementals.

"Munchkining" to the point of killing gods is quite normal in D&D. That's what epic levels are here for, and all that D&D 4.0 does is making epic now a core rule, instead of supplemental.

And it still falls to the gaming group itself if they really want to kill a god/arch-demon/duke of hell/my little pony in their game.

 

[dm4hire]

You know the sad thing is that Primal Order was another of the long list of products I owned at one time and decided I needed money more than it.

It really is a good book and had a lot of great ideas in it. I noticed Amazon lists two copies available. I wonder if there was more earlier.

Munchkin 4e!!!! Travel to exotic planes, meet interesting deities, then kill them!!