RotG: Spell Descriptions 6

[Hypersmurf]

New article is up...

"Most spells that work only on willing creatures also have a spell resistance entry of "no" because it is assumed that a willing creature lowers its spell resistance before receiving the spell."

Huh? But lowering spell resistance requires a standard action, and it stays down until your next turn!

So if my friend casts Levitate (SR: No) on me in the middle of combat, it's assumed that I lower my SR, even though I made a full attack action that round already, and I know that evil Cleric is about to cast Hold Person on me (SR: Yes)?

I'm lost...

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

I think he's describing the reasoning behind the designers' decision for SR not to apply to certain spells, as opposed to the rules themselves.



... I got nothing.

 

[Thanee]

Yep, that's pretty weird. They should have made lowering spell resistance a free action and let it work against all direct spells.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Darklone]

Confused here. Was there any problem with Spell Resistance?

 

[Thanee]

No, just with the explanation and the logic behind it.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Egres]

I read it as:"We made the SR:No to help players,since it would be weird to make a PC waste a standard action to receive this kind of spells.
In this way your PCs can hold their SR on and benefit from these spells".

 

[Hypersmurf]

I read it as:"We made the SR:No to help players,since it would be weird to make a PC waste a standard action to receive this kind of spells.
In this way your PCs can hold their SR on and benefit from these spells".

But that's the opposite of what he says.

What he's written basically reads "A lot of willing target spells with SR: No are actually SR: Yes, but since everyone always lowers their SR for them anyway, we wrote 'No'."

But since they wrote No, if anyone does want to resist them (for whatever reason) they can't (though they can just declare themselves unwilling), but more importantly, to receive those spells, they don't actually have to lower their SR.

For example - someone unconscious is automatically considered willing, but their SR is up since they can't take an action to lower it.

By Skip's definition of SR: No, their SR would apply against Levitate.

But by the RAW definition of SR: No, it wouldn't.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

But that's the opposite of what he says.

What he's written basically reads "A lot of willing target spells with SR: No are actually SR: Yes, but since everyone always lowers their SR for them anyway, we wrote 'No'."

But since they wrote No, if anyone does want to resist them (for whatever reason) they can't (though they can just declare themselves unwilling), but more importantly, to receive those spells, they don't actually have to lower their SR.

For example - someone unconscious is automatically considered willing, but their SR is up since they can't take an action to lower it.

By Skip's definition of SR: No, their SR would apply against Levitate.

But by the RAW definition of SR: No, it wouldn't.

-Hyp.

?

He says:

"Most spells that work only on willing creatures also have a spell resistance entry of "no" because it is assumed that a willing creature lowers its spell resistance before receiving the spell."

He says "it is assumed"..maybe it's just my bad english,but i don't think he's talking about rules here,but only about "behind the curtains of a spell".

I just can't understand why you say that by Skip the SR would apply against the unconscious target.

 

[Hypersmurf]

He says "it is assumed"..maybe it's just my bad english,but i don't think he's talking about rules here,but only about "behind the curtains of a spell".

There are rules for lowering spell resistance. He says "It is assumed willing creatures lower spell resistance".

To do that, they'd have to follow the rules for lowering spell resistance - standard action, stays lowered until their next action.

But since the spells are SR: No, there's no need for them to lower spell resistance, since their SR can't affect the spell one way or the other... so assuming they lower it makes no sense.

-Hyp.

 

[reiella]

Sympathetic Magic is evil... As is the connumdrum caused trying to justify it .