Rule question BURST

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

I am a bit confused on the Burst thing

in the pre-release compilation we have

BURST (X) within (Y) Squares
This effect is an area including all squares (X) x (X) distance (Y) from a center square. Burst effects that are close attacks (such as “close burst 2”) always consider the caster to be the center of the effect. Bursts that are not close attacks (such as wizard’s “Scorching Burst” power) can be centered anywhere within the powers range, rather than centered on the caster.

now this make little sense

take the Scorthching Burst, it has burst*1
does this means that it target only 1 square?
or 9 squares (the 1 targetted and all the square around it?)

the Sleep spell, it has burst*2
it is a 2x2 square or a 5x5 square? (all squares at a distance of 2 from a center square)

and the dragon burst? (I am assuming the dragon to be 2x3 squares, am I wrong?)
it's a "close burst*2" how could it be a 2x2 square when the dragon is big as this?
btw it's a zone effect so it can be dispelled by dispel magic

and so the frightful presence, it's a "close burst*5" must I consider everything within 5 squares from the dragon or a 5x5 square with the dragon in it?

so I am guessing that Burst*X should be

BURST (X) within (Y) Squares
This effect is an area including all squares at distance (X) from a center square within (Y) squares from the originator of the effect. Burst effects that are close attacks (such as “close burst 2”) always consider the caster to be the center of the effect. Bursts that are not close attacks (such as wizard’s “Scorching Burst” power) can be centered anywhere within the powers range, rather than centered on the caster.

 

[the Jester]

The way I read it, a "close burst 5" is everything within 5 squares of the ability's user.

 

[med stud]

Burst 1 = 3x3 squares.

Burst 2 = 5x5 squares.

Etc, etc

 

[Henrix]

Burst 1 = 3x3 squares.

Burst 2 = 5x5 squares.

Etc, etc

Yes, if nothing else that is how it works in the Minis game.

 

[Xorn]

That's still a good question raised--on the close burst 5 for a LARGE creature, does it extend from one of the creature's squares, or are all 4 of the occupied squares considered to be the "center" square?

And the dragon is 2x2, FYI.

 

[Sir Brennen]

Yeah, so Burst 2, for example, centered on Caster square 'C' would look like this:

X X X X X
X X X X X
X X [COLOR=DarkOrange][B]C[/B][/COLOR] X X
X X X X X
X X X X X

I like this change from the somewhat ackward way it was sometimes handled in previous editions, with trying to center effects that always had an even number of squares for the diameter.

 

[catsclaw227]

Is Close Burst 2 for a Large creature then:

X X X X X X
X X X X X X
X X [color=orange]Y Y[/color] X X
X X [color=orange]Y Y[/color] X X
X X X X X X
X X X X X X

 

[Keenath]

That makes sense and fits my sense of what a burst is.

But then what's a 'blast'?

 

[DreamChaser]

That makes sense and fits my sense of what a burst is.

But then what's a 'blast'?

A square of X on each side starting from an origin square which mush be adjacent to one square of the blast. A close blast 3 starts at any square adjacent to the character and spreads from there:

  X X X
C X X X
  X X X


OR

C X X X
  X X X
  X X X

OR EVEN

C
  X X X
  X X X
  X X X

dc

 

[BarbJebez]

A blast is just a burst at range.

While a burst is centered on the caster, a blast is centered on whatever target square the caster chooses (based on targeting restrictions).

 

[Kwalish Kid]

No, all bursts have range, and, essentially though not exactly, a close burst has zero range. A blast is a burst that must have an edge adjacent to the caster.

 

[Verys Arkon]

I'll add some figures to illustrate Bursts and Blasts to the next version of the pre-release rules compilation, based off this thread.

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

so if I understand it right

the blast is easy, Blast*N means a square of N*N ok no problem, only must touch originator

btw blast is the new cone
infact in the 2 page spread of mage spell we got "Blast of Cold" a quite wide 5x5 blast of cold


the burst is a little more tricky since it measure the distance from the origin of the blast

the origin is the creature for close burst and the target square for ranged burst

so the two 1st level Wizard spell are quite nice

and also the 13th level Prismatit Burst seem more clear on this since you lob a ball into a target square and since its burst 2 it means it cover a 5x5 area centered on the target square

and the magical staff that once a day increase the burst by 1 is very effective even at low levels

ok I get it

ps: thank for the dragon size

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

sorry, double post

 

[HeinorNY]

A blast is just a burst at range.

While a burst is centered on the caster, a blast is centered on whatever target square the caster chooses (based on targeting restrictions).

I don't think that's quite correct.
I believe this is right:

Close Burst 2 (C = Caster)
X X X X X
X X X X X
X X C X X
X X X X X
X X X X X

Burst 2 Within Y (the center of the burst must be within Y from the caster)
X X X X X
X X X X X
X X X X X
X X X X X
X X X X X

Blast 2
  X X
C X X

or

C
  X X
  X X

 

[Sir Brennen]

I don't think that's quite correct.
I believe this is right:

Close Burst 2 (C = Caster)
X X X X X
X X X X X
X X C X X
X X X X X
X X X X X

But how do you think a close burst for a Large creature would be handled? As per catsclaw227's example, or would it still be centered on a single square, selected from one of the squares the large creature occupies?

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

But how do you think a close burst for a Large creature would be handled? As per catsclaw227's example, or would it still be centered on a single square, selected from one of the squares the large creature occupies?

I would go (and only for close burst) for the burst being centered on the total creature size, like

OOOOOOOOOOO
OOOXXXXXXOO
OOOXXXXXXOO
OOOXXCCXXOO
OOOXXCCXXOO
OOOXXXXXXOO
OOOXXXXXXOO
OOOOOOOOOOO

 

[lukelightning]

Does anyone know if there is going to be a "spread" mechanic like 3.5 fireballs?

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

Does anyone know if there is going to be a "spread" mechanic like 3.5 fireballs?

I think that all the point was to keep out such a thing

in fact I think that Fireball will become Fireburst

 

[Verys Arkon]

Burst text has been updated in the PrRC v1.3.1 now available. Thanks for the discussion in this thread for the clarified text.

I'll keep an eye here for more details, and illustrations will come with the next major revision.

Cheers,
Verys.