Rule question BURST

[frankthedm]

I'll add some figures to illustrate Bursts and Blasts to the next version of the pre-release rules compilation, based off this thread.

Good idea...

Hmm, seems like there is a tiny bit of wiggle room, at least as far as the DDM rulebook concerns large creatures with close bursts

 

[frankthedm]

Does anyone know if there is going to be a "spread" mechanic like 3.5 fireballs?

DDM rulebook...

 

[Sir Brennen]

Hmm, seems like there is a tiny bit of wiggle room, at least as far as the DDM rulebook concerns large creatures with close bursts

Looks pretty clear to me that the close burst (light purple region) is 2 squares away from each "face" of the area the creature occupies. Makes sense. What's up with the "?" in that image, though?

So a close burst is (N+W) squared, where N is the number of squares indicated in the burst description, and W is the width of the creature in squares. A ranged burst is always (N+1) squared. A blast looks to be just a ranged burst that must have an edge of its effect adjacent to the caster.

Dang. So much for my 60 bucks worth of Steel Squire effects templates...

 

[catsclaw227]

Dang. So much for my 60 bucks worth of Steel Squire effects templates...

Sigh..... yea, me too.

 

[abeattie]

Sigh..... yea, me too.

On the upside, we won't need to carry 60 bucks worth of forms around anymre. Squares are easy.

 

[HeinorNY]

But how do you think a close burst for a Large creature would be handled? As per catsclaw227's example, or would it still be centered on a single square, selected from one of the squares the large creature occupies?

As per catsclaw227 I think. Otherwise, the large creature would hurt itself.
Imagine a Large caster casting a Close Burst 1 spell:

X X X
X C C
X C C

Large casters affect more targets with close burst spells.

X X X X
X C C X
X C C X
X X X X

 

[Ferret]

If a burst is cast over a larger opponent, does it take damage for all the squares it occupies?

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

If a burst is cast over a larger opponent, does it take damage for all the squares it occupies?

no, I don't think so

 

[Nebulous]

If a burst is cast over a larger opponent, does it take damage for all the squares it occupies?

I doubt it, but i'm not sure. That sounds like an exploitable damage potential right there.

 

[Verys Arkon]

Bursts and Blasts

Are these correct, before I add them to the PrRC?

 

[Vempyre]

Those are great!

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

Are these correct, before I add them to the PrRC?

as I understand it they are correct

I would add a 3rd image of a burst from a bigger figure base (e.g. the dragon cloud of darkness)

 

[Jhaelen]

as I understand it they are correct

I would add a 3rd image of a burst from a bigger figure base (e.g. the dragon cloud of darkness)

Yup, an image of a burst with a wall obstacle (cmp. the example in the DDM 2.0 rules) would also be helpful:

ooooooooo
oo333333o
oo322223o
o##11123o
o##10123o
o3211123o
o3222223o
o3333333o
ooooooooo

 

[frankthedm]

Are these correct, before I add them to the PrRC?[/CENTER]

I do believe the blasts are incorrect.

IIUC the blasts would look like this...

 

[Verys Arkon]

I do believe the blasts are incorrect.

IIUC the blasts would look like this...

Really? That would mean the Black Dragon's breath weapon Blast 5 would be 11x11 squares? That seems REALLY big to me?

 

[med stud]

Really? That would mean the Black Dragon's breath weapon Blast 5 would be 11x11 squares? That seems REALLY big to me?

16,5x16,5 meters (or 55 ft x 55 ft for the metrically impaired) doesn't seem that much for a breathweapon IMO.

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

I do believe the blasts are incorrect.

IIUC the blasts would look like this...

this are burst not blast, it was confirmed that blast*x is an x*x square don't remember where but in an enworld thread

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

Are these correct, before I add them to the PrRC?

Yes, they are correct.

 

[Verys Arkon]

Here are images for:

A)Large creature close burst

B) Burst and cover​

EDIT: See corrected version below!

 

[frankthedm]

Uhm, Now where are you getting the info for which squares were unaffected? Some of the squares for the Burst, shown as unaffected have COVER from the burst, but having cover does not exclude a square from a burst from what i understood.

Going by the DDM text...