Sage... Dragon... Advice... what?

Hypersmurf

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Someone just posted a Q&A from the latest Sage Advice in Dragon.

You can get a host of benefits from wielding a two-handed weapon, such as 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage (and twice your damage bonuns from the Power Attack feat) and a +4 bonus to your opposed attack roll if someone tries to disarm you. So when is a weapon "two-handed?" For example, a lance is a two-handed weapon, right? But you can wield it in one hand when you're mounted. Since the weapons table shows that a lance is a two-handed weapon, I get all the benefits no matter how I wield the lance, right?

Wrong, table 7-5 in the Player's Handbook lists weapons as light, one-handed or two-handed strictly as a matter of convenience. These categories are always relative to the wielder's size as explained in some detail in the section on weapon sized on page 113 in the Player's Handbook (also see next question). When the combat rules speak of "two-handed" weapons, they're referring to how the weapon is bein used. A Medium character using a Medium longsword in two hands is using a "two-handed" weapon. The same character using a Medium lance in one hand while mounted is using a one-handed weapon.
Light weapons are an exception. If you wield a light weapon in two hands you get no advantage on damage (see page 113 in the Player's Handbook). Likewise, you always take a -4 penalty on your opposed roll when you're wielding a light weapon in a disarm attempt (when someone tries to disarm you or you try to disarm somone) regardless of whether you wield it one- or two-handed.


A Medium character wielding a Medium longsword is wielding a two-handed weapon!? Despite several references in the book to "a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands"?

The 3.5 Weapon Sizing system is bad enough without the Sage making it worse by making up rules that don't follow the text!

-Hyp.
 

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Hypersmurf said:
A Medium character wielding a Medium longsword is wielding a two-handed weapon!? Despite several references in the book to "a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands"?-Hyp.

Yeah, they need to watch the terminology there to avoid confusion for folk. It's not so much wielding a medium longsword as a two-handed weapon as they are simply wielding a medium longsword two-handed.
 

Liquidsabre said:
Yeah, they need to watch the terminology there to avoid confusion for folk. It's not so much wielding a medium longsword as a two-handed weapon as they are simply wielding a medium longsword two-handed.

That's not what the Sage is claiming...

-Hyp.
 

News Flash! The sage is not a good source if you want rulings that follow the rules. He has a history that is hit and miss ... though his 'hit' usually has an extra s in there somewhere ...
 

jgsugden said:
News Flash! The sage is not a good source if you want rulings that follow the rules.

I know that.

I'm just whining that he's put this one in print, because people will now quote it and claim they're right.

Grr.

-Hyp.
 

Don't be so hard on the sage. His job is to answer questions. Nothing in his contract says the answers have to be right. :D
 
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I've come to the opinion that Skip (the Sage) tends to be a little... less literal with the rules than some other designers. That is, his responses are gut reactions instead of interpret-what-the-book-says-isms.

In this case I get the feeling that he didn't fully process the 3.5 weapon sizing changes -- he's clearly answering this as though the 3.5 "two-handed" weapon category was just the same as the 3.0 "large" weapon category (editorial comment: As it should be! <snap><snap>).

Here's one that I bet another 3.5 designer would differ with him on.
 
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dcollins said:
I've come to the opinion that Skip (the Sage) tends to be a little... less literal with the rules than some other designers. That is, his responses are gut reactions instead of interpret-what-the-book-says-isms.
You should learn to be more precise in your wording. For instance, instead of saying 'interpret-what-the-book-says-isms', you could say 'correct'.

Instead of saying 'Sage', you could say 'He Who Doesn't Bother To Crack a Book Before Speaking'.

(Pssst: Everyone pile on! We're picking on the Sage tonight! Wahoo!)
 

dcollins said:
He's clearly answering this as though the 3.5 "two-handed" weapon category was just the same as the 3.0 "large" weapon category.

Well... no, I don't agree. It's almost like he's saying "Yes, I know they called it 'two-handed', but ignore that. On the table, where it says 'two-handed', substitute 'large'. Anywhere else in any of the books where it says 'two-handed', read it literally, rather than as a defined term."

He's taking something that works just fine as a game-mechanical label, and reading it as though it were plain English sometimes, but not all the time, and ending up with a mess.

In this case I get the feeling that he didn't fully process the 3.5 weapon sizing changes.

Now that, I agree with.

-Hyp.
 

jgsugden said:
You should learn to be more precise in your wording. For instance, instead of saying 'interpret-what-the-book-says-isms', you could say 'correct'.

Well, see? You went on gut instinct and figured out what he meant just fine... :)

-Hyp.
 

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