sarruth's request(game thread)

[Ryfte]

Round discussion...

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Magical Cold Iron costs 2,000 extra, not just double... and is normally rare.

Any standard weapon may be made from cold iron at double the cost. Making a cold magical weapon however costs an additional 2,000 gp. This is NOT for the cold iron materials, it is literally supposed to be more difficult to enchant!

Mental Attribute bonuses are huge for any caster, because you get +1 to DC and Bonus Spells.

So then... other races/templates which have bonuses should all be reweighed for caster balance? Not the way balancing any race or template works... it's supposed to be balanced without regard to class choice. If it does better at one class than another but poorly at some and isn't "min/maxed" or "munchkinned" then it's just like any other race/template, lol. Otherwise you would have to give Assimar a +2 LA just for the fact they get a +2 to Wisdom AND a +2 to Charisma, lol (note there are many other examples of this). In fact... races heavily weighted for certain class choices are in the PHB and multiple other sources, their LA wasn't increased if they had an advantage at being a caster nor were they lowered if they made poorer casters! The fact remains that the 3 primary physical stats are always weighed as more important than the 3 non-physical primary stats... with intelligence and wisdom considered more valuable than charisma due to their game mechanics.

Still though, if Cog approved it, then cool No problems at all.If Cog said it's fine at +0, then it guess it's fine at +0 Personally, I'd place it around +2 just because of the Magic Circle and massive DR. If the DR was cut to 5 or less, the Magic Circle was removed, and it gained a flight progression like the raptoran, then +0.

I've no problem with it being +2LA at all, the DR is HD based and maxes out at 15/cold iron at 13th level I believe. That would keep Grendle at 10th level which would probably be a good thing as well.

None of my responses are in anger/frustration... or anything like that. Thought I'd be clear, lol. A lot of the time people seem to take character criticism poorly. I don't mind at all tiluvias, not at all! Keep checking!

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[tiluvias99]

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None of my responses are in anger/frustration... or anything like that. Thought I'd be clear, lol. A lot of the time people seem to take character criticism poorly. I don't mind at all tiluvias, not at all! Keep checking!

Same here You find something I messed up with Irthos, please let me know.

Any standard weapon may be made from cold iron at double the cost. Making a cold magical weapon however costs an additional 2,000 gp. This is NOT for the cold iron materials, it is literally supposed to be more difficult to enchant!

Eh, doesn't really matter that the extra cost is due to difficulty in enhancement or from the material itself, it still costs more.

So then... other races/templates which have bonuses should all be reweighed for caster balance? Not the way balancing any race or template works... it's supposed to be balanced without regard to class choice. If it does better at one class than another but poorly at some and isn't "min/maxed" or "munchkinned" then it's just like any other race/template, lol. Otherwise you would have to give Assimar a +2 LA just for the fact they get a +2 to Wisdom AND a +2 to Charisma, lol (note there are many other examples of this). In fact... races heavily weighted for certain class choices are in the PHB and multiple other sources, their LA wasn't increased if they had an advantage at being a caster nor were they lowered if they made poorer casters! The fact remains that the 3 primary physical stats are always weighed as more important than the 3 non-physical primary stats... with intelligence and wisdom considered more valuable than charisma due to their game mechanics.

Personally, I'd rather not get into this debate... it's been done time after time. I don't like to argfue it, and I'm not good at it.[sblock=regardless]The arguement is essentially that, at high levels, +2 strength means a few more points of damage (which doesn't mean that much), while +2 to a casting stat (any of them) can up the DC, which means an extra 5% chance that something will die instantly from save-or-dies. That's why there are so few +0 LA races with +2 to a casting stat, because, mechanically, they will almost always be better in nearly every way (at casting) than a race that doesn't get that bonus, while a race with a bonus to a melee based stat is normally about equal in power to most other races, even if they don't get such a bonus. For example, from a power perspective, the three best races for fighters could be humans, dwarves, and half-orcs, while the best choice (from an optimization perspective) for a wizard is unarguably the grey elf, simply because it gets +2 int.
Regardless, LA has to be assigned for the strongest possible case, so that it can't be abused by min-maxers. For example, a race that gets +10 int and -10 strength would have equivalent stats. However, it would deserve an LA of at least +2 because of its potential abuse for the wizard, even though as a fighter it would probably be around -2 LA. When assigning LA, you have put the number high enough so that it can't be abused- you have to think of the worst possible case.[/sblock][/sblock]

 

[cog_and_taz]

whew! Sorry I was gone guys... somehow, I never heard about the unseelie fey thing, musta been in the PMs that burned with my computer... well, I suppose we can call it +2... still, now grendle is getting +4 in LA and three templates... this is getting pretty extreme. In all honesty, I'll allow it, but let me ask one thing: why do people need numbers for every aspect of their character's back story?

 

[Ryfte]

whew! Sorry I was gone guys... somehow, I never heard about the unseelie fey thing, musta been in the PMs that burned with my computer... well, I suppose we can call it +2... still, now grendle is getting +4 in LA and three templates... this is getting pretty extreme. In all honesty, I'll allow it, but let me ask one thing: why do people need numbers for every aspect of their character's back story?

Huh? Uhhh... just the unseelie fey and dark creature template (+3 LA total). I'm not trying to use numbers for the backstory... I'm just trying to keep up with the casters with their cohorts, lol. If you consider the shadows, the cohorts and Es, Grendle isn't really overboard at all, lol. More just par for the group really.

Edit: The magic circle is powerful but since Grendle is primarily the melee/ranged warrior and has low HP it's going to be needed... I think, lol.

Grendle has been edited... LA +2 for template added, level 10 changes propagated through the character, gear removed to match appropriate wealth level... image put in place (still working on it but it's the right one at least, lol).

 

[cog_and_taz]

sorry. didn't know you whacked voidmind/accelerated

 

[Ink]

Es was walking back home, to “The New Citadel of Companions”. Humans were funny about they way they named things—really it was just the old city arena with some added glass. A lot of glass for glitter, I wonder who’s going to clean all that glass…

Es knew Khyber Mercane renamed the old arena because in two years time he made enough money to build a newer bigger one in a better district. What he really gave the group was no more than a huge prison with a seating capacity of 10000.

With the huge influx of visitors coming to see the games, the city guard was likewise growing daily to keep things organized and controlled. The old arena would have been a write off but they had just built it three summers ago. She guessed the locals would have frowned on the huge city expense just being abandoned, and for practical reasons, an arena could easily serve as barracks, prison, stables and head-quarters; in fact it was almost to luxurious for its new purposes. The stables with over a thousand stalls was far more than ample, with hundreds of private rooms in one section, there were sealed cells below the arena area itself for former gladiators and animals, an enclosed yet vast entrance, once for ticketing, and a gigantic gate for an exit, the grounds now seemed a built to order city barracks. Khyber Mercane appeared almost blessed with how to make the best of things for his city. All he had to do was add glass.

Glass…Es pushed it with her fingertips, molded it with her imagination. The crystal unicorn horn was warm and malleable to her touch, not that she could feel it. She pushed it, and rounded its edges with her thumbs until it look like a crystal ball.

“Show me a prince.” she spoke to her toy.
“So you might steal his heart?” the crystal replied. “It is a dangerous thing to ask a dagger for your dreams.”

Es almost smiled as she saw her own reflection in the glass ball. “You’re no dagger, Toy. That was her pet name for the fragile crystal her mother had given to her. "If you were then could I do this?” And she press the ball in the middle, pushing it flat again with her two delicately perfect thumbs, making it into a small flat circle with a handle. “Mirror Mirror…” abruptly there was a whirling sound.

Es’ eyes turn hard grey and cool once more. There was the golden box. Out from the temple…Impossible, I would have guessed it, tracked it. But there was no time to think, the box was buzzing on its wings once more, and the child follows, almost running, almost flying behind her new toy.

Es does not notice, or perhaps she cannot read the sign, as she makes another turn and glides into Blood Road.

 

[cog_and_taz]

((nice, one objection though. I didn't intend for the box to reappear... could you keep that kinda stuff out of it, please? Thanks.))

 

[Ink]

[sblock=occ the box]
The box is Mem's box.

Mem copied it and made it in my last post. hee hee if you had time to read it among all the occ stuff.

other occ for Rp

If you would like Cog, Mem can craft check-to make the box or to make things even easier

a craft check making Astral Constructs, one in shape, form and figure of the exact box, (which with her craft ranks she cannot fail on to make totally identical except for color)--Color...gold... I also covered in that post.

This is all assuming her Autohypnosis check did not allow her to memorize the box and make a real one

as a surprise for this post.

btw

Es uses alter shape to mold the psi crystal

Mem knows where Es is cuz of Psi Crystal. Don't worry Cog we will always try and follow your story

Mem is going to teach Es a lesson on Blood street next post...
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[cog_and_taz]

((do you mean crunchy or fluffy lessons? Just so I know if I should intervene or not... and I did read about something or the other being golden, but that's all I gathered.))

 

[Ink]

[sblock=quote of when Mem made a copy of the box]

Occ Most of this is rp but: Mem Autohypnosis to memorize and remember as much as she can about the box, including inner mechanics that she used with her knowledge checks from before

Mem raised her delicate hand from her studies for a second time in as many days. She had finished it. It could have been sooner but perfection was her craft, not impatience.

“But a touch of gold and the seed is planted.”

The noble sorceress should have been pleased how it reflected her own inner beauty, but that profligacy was reserved for those of a lesser breed—something felt by those whom controlled neither their own emotions nor others.

With a tiny whirl, it was off.
Her study, their humble meeting, room was empty with her towering outline once more.

Here are the 2 references for making the box. The lesson. For rp. But feel free to intervine anytime, like anyone, everyone, anyone else doing anything???[/sblock]