Say if I'm a paladin can I get a demon cohort?

[WayneLigon]

Monte Cook's Book of Hallowed Might presented a couple feats and a system for redeeming (and tempting/damning) someone. If you were using something like that, perhaps such a thing could be done.

And it would depend on the cosmology of the setting. If demons and devils can be redeemed in the setting, then I would see no reason not to have such a thing. In fact, it might be great PR. (My church's way redeemed a fallen angel. And here he is to tell his personal story!). You'd also have to decide if they lose their demonic powers, etc, etc.

 

[Mystery Man]

Monte Cook's Book of Hallowed Might presented a couple feats and a system for redeeming (and tempting/damning) someone. If you were using something like that, perhaps such a thing could be done.

And it would depend on the cosmology of the setting. If demons and devils can be redeemed in the setting, then I would see no reason not to have such a thing. In fact, it might be great PR. (My church's way redeemed a fallen angel. And here he is to tell his personal story!). You'd also have to decide if they lose their demonic powers, etc, etc.

I would think they should lose the current spells they can cast. However the magical residue left over could morph into the ability to cast some divine [good] spells.

 

[lukelightning]

Given the Succubus Paladin on the WotC site with her vrock steed, I'd say lawful good demons are as common as pie.

Personally I'd say a redeemed demon either turns into a similar celestial, or just vanishes in a final act of compassion.

 

[IcyCool]

CAn't be done on a single roll. And even so, he would still be type evil. So you'd have to change his alingment and get him to redeem. I think Exalted Deeds has stuff on that.

This didn't work with any Evil outsiders. Apparently Gruntharg, Eater of Babies and Defiler of the Innocent could be redeemed, as long as he's not an outsider.

That said, I think the only issue with Paladin cohorts is that they have a matching Alignment, not a matching Alignment Descriptor. So if you somehow happened upon a Devil with a Lawful Good alignment, I suppose there wouldn't be any issue. Of course, you could never trust them, given that they'd still show up as a whopping source of evil whenever you used your Detect Magic ability.

 

[Crothian]

This didn't work with any Evil outsiders. Apparently Gruntharg, Eater of Babies and Defiler of the Innocent could be redeemed, as long as he's not an outsider.

If it worked for the story and made a good game, I'd allow it. I think it would be a lot of fun and could really have some fun encounters with it. It just would not be easy.

 

[grimwell]

What about good old Vuron from the Gord of Greyhawk novels? Not exactly a good demon, but one with some sense of honor who could end up in a situation where he has to temporarily work with/for a paladin as a cohort without giving up his evil nature.

Could a paladin associate with a cohort like that? While the demon is with the paladin it can be prevented from doing evil deeds, and it's power could result in great good during the paladin's lifetime. Strange bedfellows and all, but less hokey than Succubi paladins IMO.

 

[Umbran]

One of my players in an old campaign of mine (a paladin) reformed a kobold by strapping him to the front of his sheild while fighting an athac. I had no choice but to let him keep him.

I've seen a paladin lose his paladinhood, trying to reform an orc - put a ring of regeneration on the orc, and repeatedly ripped its face off, yelling "Repent!", until it gave up.

The DM was not amused.

 

[sckeener]

I've seen a paladin lose his paladinhood, trying to reform an orc - put a ring of regeneration on the orc, and repeatedly ripped its face off, yelling "Repent!", until it gave up.

The DM was not amused.

I hope the paladin took a vow of chastity and kept it. I'd hate to see how he handles a teenager.

 

[Mystery Man]

I've seen a paladin lose his paladinhood, trying to reform an orc - put a ring of regeneration on the orc, and repeatedly ripped its face off, yelling "Repent!", until it gave up.

The DM was not amused.

Yeah, not cool.

 

[lukelightning]

Strange bedfellows and all, but less hokey than Succubi paladins IMO.

No. Demons are beings of pure evil and chaos, and if they were to somehow no longer be beings of chaos and evil they would not exist. Can a fire elemental still be a fire elemental without the fire type?