Scarred Lands: Ask the Sage (Going into Triple OT Folk!)

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I like new books, and must admit I own them all this far, but haven't done that deep reading into all of them, since I
am not main dm of scarred lands games.

Though funnily enough, our campaings are based on what was in Gazetteers, Ghelspad especially, R&R 1 and 2 (second mostly for spells and some items)
, CC 1 and 3, and some of 3, Divane and Defeated, City of Mithril and hollowfaust (except for some things about Nemorga).
Rest are used on perhaps, when they have cool ideas, and are not in conflict with something priorly said, we found good and used
in our games already. Oh and some feats and prestige classes have found uses. Scarred Lands seems to have too much odds and end.
Multitude of organizations, now even suddenly before unknown psionic ones. This sneaky way of changing the world works well
at times, but often it makes writers forget what has been said before. And when something said before was something that caught
my intrest and I was curious know more, it suddenly gets replaced with something else, maybe dull, maybe cool, but it still
doesn't feel so good, because I was expecting something else. Some of these thing I learn to like, but quite often, they go
to my ignore list.

I don't have nothing against psionics, but I dislike WotC psionics. I mean the whole offical punch of D&D rules for them,
I don't think they captured spirit of it, some people over to internet thought much more cool and fitting powers and I
thought up rules that aren't that good, but work for me. I like idea of Slarecians and psionic stuff, ancient ruins and all
that weird magic that is not magic. I love alien ruins, and strange dangerous landscapes. However, I didn't like single-minded
evil they were described to be (we already have demons ok, armies of them). And I didn't like heavy return of psionic powers to
Scarn. I woudn't mind so much, but really, psionic rules aren't good, and psionic characters are weak, and boring, and they
are harder to fix then sorcerer. But because I find psionic thing good for alien lost ruins, I don't think it fits so well
with pc:s or active npc-organizations. We already have magic (and ways to hide magical auras), and those rules don't have
so much issues then psi-rules have. This page exist mainly because of those issues and very vocal fans:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mindseye

And it is a bit too sci-fi in large doses too.

And you know what was funny. Example slarerecian "dungeon" was quite empty, no examples of more active slarcian traps or
stuff, and then there is this metaplot of their return. Quite a mis-marriage I say.

Defining moment for most of us was little magic item named Microcosmic Cube 325 000 gp cost to make. This item is pretty damn
useless for a trap (and expensive beyond belief), so what would be point of making one. No explanation if there was some
actual use for slarecians instead of this effect or something.


I am starting to feel world of Scarn is falling to pit of "gotto catch them all". There is price for filling world with
too much stuff.

And as Trickster said, the Gray Isle, Virduk's Promise, the Isle of the Dead intrest me much more too. Because they are
good adventure locations.



About Edge of Infinity I really wonder why in that book is no mention why elemental seals have recently disappeared.
I'd rather had them say, something like "should elemental seals be broken, because of for example... then what follows would
be like this". Intstead that "it happened and then this".


Oh, this has gotten so old, but say it anyway. :)

I didn't like so much dislike idea of elven god return, as I did the execution.
For one, I found Vlavaden (or whatever) uninteresting angsty-boy character, and same goes for his "girl-friend".
It was too fast story, and seemed to try to show off as much different places as possible and include couple of "iconic
characters as well" (badly).
And of course, it was kind of stealing good story-potential from invidual dm:s. And personally, I really wanted to read
about forsaken elves, not their new-found high-elfdoom. It surprised me in a bad way. Books should really have some
after ****-metaplot(s) material included or something.

And I really hated sudden transformation of all forsaken elves overnight back to high elves.
I don't like elves. I especially hate forgotten realm elves, and I found forsaken elves to kind of cool
melnibonian-esque race (though I think Elric was pretty irrating character, who deserved to die, but hey)
lacking qualities I most dislike about elves, which are their supposed suppremacy and their supposed
chaotic goodness. As elves appear in many fantasy genres, they come off as lawful evil bigots or maybe NE.
 

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Hey all, no comment on my Durrover arc?

Either way, I find that a lot of the time Nightfall, Trickster and I are the ones who usually end up reviewing scared lands books. And I don't have either echoes of the past nor edge of infinity. Heh well I might try investigating it after I get paid again, but at the moment I just dont have the cash to grab them. Stupid S&SS not realizing my reviewing talent and giving me free copies.... :(

As for psionics... I tend to dislike psionics as they exist in D&D now... I just ordered Green Ronin's Psychic's handbook. Depending on how I like that it could end up taking the place of psionics in most of my games.
 
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Trickstergod said:
Very true, Nightfall. As you yourself have said, the Scarred Lands seems to integrate fan comments.
Which is also why I enjoy the setting.

Trickstergod said:
Thus why I continue pushing for the detailing of forsaken elf nations as opposed to high elf - as thus far, there's a good deal of antipathy that I've seen towards the Faithful and the Forsaken, as opposed to just grumpy ol' me. I highly doubt my own grumpiness would change things about, but thankfully, the book keeps getting picked apart more and more every time it comes up. Not to mention, it makes more sense to support the hardcover Termana book than the Faithful and the Forsaken, as the hardcover's more universally useful. While I don't want to put words into either Ari or Joe's mouth, I do believe Joe told Ari the Termana hardcover wouldn't be invalidated by the Faithful and the Forsaken; so there's still some hope for the forsaken elf nations yet.
In light of that note, yes that does make sense. I guess I just believed it was just you. But heck I could be in the minority. So that's fine.

Trickstergod said:
As for Ghelspad/Termana, none of it has a genuine need to have a sourcebook. I was getting by for a while just fine on the Ghelspad Gazetteer for a goodly amount of time.
Some of us do, some don't. I know there been plenty of people asking for clarifications in Durrover, some political boundaries and more details about Darakenee and even the Bridged City gets mentioned a few times.

Trickstergod said:
What ultimately determines what will be published is what will sell. Thus why I make it a point to pipe in with my opinion; it may not be the majority, but if it is, yet remains unvoiced, then I'm doing myself a disservice, as well as anyone else.
I don't disagree Trick. But it also helps to have access to the people in charge. Unlike you or me, most people have no clue whom to speak with to voice their concerns. Thus the guys in charge (Ari and Joe), usually (and I don't mean to speak for them but I do believe this is how it's determined. I could be wrong), listen to what's voiced on the S&SS BB and probably here as well.


Trickstergod said:
Or would you honestly be quiet, Nightfall, if you felt you were in the minority on something, hmm? A certain archdemon and demigod come to mind.
Yes but there's some IP issues about Orcus. :p :)

Trickstergod said:
It's also helpful when there's no grumpiness that boils up - I'd like to think Edge of Infinity is going to sell well, as it's something that, conceptually at least, has been universally accepted as something desired by the fan base. I'll have to borrow my friends copy to peruse before deciding on a purchase myself (the Faithful and the Forsaken has burned me from ever putting money down for a Scarred Lands product without reading it first), but I'll probably pick it up within the week after reading it if it proves satisfactory (and probably have a review up soon after having given it a good read).
Well I can't honestly comment since like you, I don't have the book. But I'm more looking forward to this one since a cosmology book generally does a decent job. Generally. I just have a LGS that doesn't order a lot in the summer.

Trickstergod said:
So as you said; it's a matter of what people are asking for and are interested in. You're looking for psionics and Darakeene and Vesh. Delightful. I'm looking for psionics being pushed to the wayside, maybe one more Ghelspad book, but definitely am interested in seeing something done with Termana instead of it just sitting there (the Gray Isle, Virduk's Promise, the Isle of the Dead...all interest me much more than any Ghelspad book right now).
Well I can see that. I guess though while I enjoy the "Lost World" aspects to Termana, I don't see it needing that much fleshing out. But we'll see who comes up in the end.

Trickstergod said:
And to make this semi-useful, anyone out there with Edge of Infinity (or heck, even Echoes of the Past) thinking about putting up a review for either? I'll probably be reading Edge of Infinity soon, anyway, but am curious to see an in-depth look at it, and possibly something to sway my opinion to something more favorable for those books that currently draw my disdain (Echoes, Blood Sea).
Yeah I wouldn't mind either.
 

Zelda,

No offense but could maybe try keeping everything within a paragraph. Those breaks in sentences are giving me a royal headache. :p

On topic,

I can see what you're saying but the fact is D&D psionics is what we are often stuck with. Why? Because it's a d20 system and while generating a new "feat/skill based" psionic system is useful and has been done, it's not something that everyone will readily embrace. Why? Because the game designers DO have to look to the majority. And that means accepting what WotC puts out for us. Sure, the evilness of the Slacerians is kind of overkill, but I find them more "alien" mind setted than say the Mind Flayers are in most D&D worlds. While there might be a "gotta get em all" feel, it's no different than any other campaign world that has stuff that builds and changes whats come before. Midnight has done this, Dragonlance and FR continue this. I feel the difference here with the Scarred Lands is we can shape it on a better scale than just letting the game designers run amok.

Btw I killed off Vladwen and raising Jandevos with my own group, featuring Silas, the Lightbringer. And it won't exactly go according to plan. :)


MD,

Thought I gave my comments...I like the overall story but I couldn't think of much else to help keep Durrover afloat.
 


hehe sorry nightfall I missed that post :uhoh:

After I get done reading through this pyschic's handbook I'll post my opinion of using it as an alternative to standard D&D psionics within the scarred lands, but first I need to finish reading Nocturnals.
 

Sokay MD.

As for me, hey you people use what you want for what ever you run your SL campaigns. I just know I'm sticking to my vision of core SL. Which is sort of like PJ's vision of Middle-earth. Only less edits. ;)
 

Nightfall said:
Zelda,

No offense but could maybe try keeping everything within a paragraph. Those breaks in sentences are giving me a royal headache. :p


Sorry, sorry. I don't do that because of some chaotic insanity, but because my browser doesn't keep my forum user information in memory, but 10 second after I write my user account pass word, and if I type any longer, I have to re-type my password and it is unable to send my post unless I copy-paste it.

So started typing in note-pad, with extra enters and stuff. Oh, well, must use Word instead it seems. Sorry for inconviance.
 

Zelda Themelin said:
Sorry, sorry. I don't do that because of some chaotic insanity, but because my browser doesn't keep my forum user information in memory, but 10 second after I write my user account pass word, and if I type any longer, I have to re-type my password and it is unable to send my post unless I copy-paste it.
That sucks. :(

I used to have a similar problem, and discovered it was because I was still using the old cyberstreet URL to get here. I switched to the correct URL (www.enworld.org/forums), and it's held the cookie correctly ever since. If you haven't tried that yet, you may want to give it a try.

--
or perhaps your browser is just possessed....oooooh, spooky!
 

Edge of Infinity

I just got Edge of Infinity in the mail one day before I had to leave for vancouver BC for business, so when I return, I'll peruse it and give my opinions.

I've never written an official review, so it'll probably be totally biased and unorganized, but hey, my mind is like that at times...

I think I own everything Scarred Lands, and I still know very little due to the amount of time I get to read through it all. They've mostly been reference guides as of late, and my players are getting more than i am out of my "Players Guide" series that I just bought a second set of them on ebay for cheap. The only items I don't have are Champions and Penumbral Pentagon (?). And I was thinking of using Mindscapes or the Psychics handbook for psionics, so I'll be looking forward to some comments and how it fits into Scarn.

Oh, and I'm using Corwyl and Bow and Blade from Green Ronin too, probably putting Corwyl in the Ganjus or Haggard hills, but a good place may also be Aethylwald in Darakeene. Any other ideas?

Catsclaw
 

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