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[Monte At Home]

I'm pretty used to the heat of the flames on this board regarding a book no one here has yet read, but could someone please explain why being a member of Bothered About Disposable Dragons is now also a crime?

 

[kenjib]

I can see it done maturely.

Imagine the horror of a Cow, undead or not, stagger into a town. Up from it's stomach erupting the clawed, shrieking form from the spell, and unleashing the creature into the town.

Popping this spell with a 'Delay' would accomplish this.

That indeed would be cool. Point taken Xarlen and Barsoomcore. Admittedly though, this (by which I mean the one particular Dragon mag. spell) does have more potential for suggesting immature behavior than the average spell though. Another valid point in that same thread was that while the ruleset and the usage by players are different, they are not wholly independent and do influence one another by encouraging/discouraging certain types of behavior through the rule mechanics. In any case, I suppose that's why the book has a warning on it. Like I said off the bat, I don't have problems with the book being released for other folk to use, but I'll probably pass if it turns out like this.

 

[Xarlen]

Hey, Monte!

Welcome to the Trenches.

 

[Olive]

Re: Re: Yeah

Are you for real? I mean, do you really believe this? A lot of people give a damn about our hobby. Wake up, look around. Maybe you are too young to remember the tirades and marches and book burnings over DnD. I voiced a legitimate concern and get this juvenile tripe thrown at me? I live in no state of victimhood, I just remember family members giving up on me over this game back in the 80's. There is no nefarious enemy of DnD, that is absurd, but there are many large organizations and individuals that look to champion causes. It doesn't take a large amount of brains to realize this.

hellbender

oh please: i'm old enough to remember the suicide stories and everything else... but at the same time there was huge boycotts over metal bands? don't see much of that today... Where was the huge outcry over those White Wolf books?

people are much more worried over Grand Theft Auto 3 than they are over this... more kids play computer games that RPGs.

personally I think that we should stop talking about this in this thread, and keep talking about whats in dragon. if we want to have a nother arguement about what may be in BoVD and whos likely to get upset about it, then we should leave poor buttercups thread alone and start a 'arguing about BoVD' thread...

 

[barsoomcore]

I'm pretty used to the heat of the flames on this board regarding a book no one here has yet read, but could someone please explain why being a member of Bothered About Disposable Dragons is now also a crime?

Oh, it's been determined that members of BADD are responsible for a variety of social ills, including dandelion arson, morris dancing and the misuse of Jenifer Lopez' butt. A team will be coming by for "resocialization" in the morning.

Unless you have Jenifer Lopez' butt there with you. In which case I'll be over directly.

 

[Incenjucar]

Fairly amusing how much people complain about something that isn't even out yet.

The thing is: The book is for adults, and adults only. They have a good reason to -card- you before purchasing this book. Yes, it's likely very gross, and in many cases, very distasteful. It's about the only way a book about a game where you hack people apart, frog people -impregnate you- (Helloooo, Slaad, anyone?), things eat your brain, whole races consider slavery the norm, MONSTERS breed with child-like -elves-, and freakish perversions like griffons and merfolk exist. All this in a society where we watch things like "Scary Movie 1&2" and "Species 1&2". Look, they make -sequels- of these things. It requires a -great deal of effort- to make something 'adults only' these days.

However, White Wolf does it CONSTANTLY. They have an entire publishing devision specifically for really really creepy Adult Material for their games (Worse, they do it for extremely important races, so if you want real info, instead of just new tricks, you actually HAVE to get these adults-only books. One of them includes flies and maggots pouring out of all the worst places), and few complain. D&D is, to begin with, not for anyone under 13, legal-wise. It's stated on the books. Never ever argue for anyone under 13. 13, also, is around where Sex Education occurs. I'm betting there's hentai and triple-X porn that's less disturbing than that Miracle of Life movie they made us watch on two seperate occassions. And we've got well-respected, well-known cult movies with -tree rape- (Army of the Dead, or something like that, had a root go in a no-no place... from what I've been told.. ). Outside of America, there is nudity and the like on -normal stations-, heck, I was in a hotel this weekend and had a spazz-attack as I noticed Showtime (Which I was hoping had some anime on), had some kind of porn movie on.

Considering all these people get away with all of this.. why shouldn't WotC get away with it?

Especially since you, as yet, have no idea what they're getting away with?


Now, I'm not saying that I like the idea of rape being part of spells.. I lack the ability to find rape all that funny, even with cases like in Pulp Fiction. Heck, I have a hard time chuckling about BDSM, despite humorous depictions of women dressed in cheap leather, spanking politicians with ping pong paddles.

However, free expression is free expression. Considering Hasbro, a toy company, is allowing this... why not -wait and see-. And if you're under 18, well, you'll have to wait a few more years. Of course, if you look into it and you're -under- 18... they should kick you out of the bookstore until you've matured enough to take warnings to heart.

 

[Olive]

The spell "Searing Seed" causes fluid to impregnate the victim, with a 1d3 round gestation period at the end of which the "vile, teratic baby" claws its way outside. It grows to adulthood in one round, though, so its not quite so disgusting as an evil baby that continues to attack the characters.

and while i'm grumpy...

I am no man to trivialise rape, but this is not rape any more than the immaculate conception or the the alien inpregnation are rape. it's forced impregnation. there is no description of how the fluid enters the body...

 

[Xarlen]

Heck, you *could* create a monster that, with a tentacle, tongue, or something that Clings to one's face and spirts the fluid down their throat, could innact that spell as a spell like or Su ability.

 

[Nightfall]

I'm pretty used to the heat of the flames on this board regarding a book no one here has yet read, but could someone please explain why being a member of Bothered About Disposable Dragons is now also a crime?

Dunno Monte. But hey look at the bright side, you already wrote an preface for a book where they have spells that : cause a person to feel much lust for, a spell that blasts people and buildings to dust, another where some spits out brain consuming spores, and is part of a setting where, a father entity raped his own daughter, a son with help of his half brother, multiated his own father, as well as bind and dismember his own mother...

So far after that corpse impregnation thing, I don't think there's much left to shock me. But I will admit to be slightly disturbed!

 

[Darkness]

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The book is for adults, and adults only. They have a good reason to -card- you before purchasing this book. Yes, it's likely very gross, and in many cases, very distasteful. It's about the only way a book about a game where you hack people apart, frog people -impregnate you- (Helloooo, Slaad, anyone?), things eat your brain, whole races consider slavery the norm, MONSTERS breed with child-like -elves-, and freakish perversions like griffons and merfolk exist. All this in a society where we watch things like "Scary Movie 1&2" and "Species 1&2". Look, they make -sequels- of these things. It requires a -great deal of effort- to make something 'adults only' these days.

However, White Wolf does it CONSTANTLY. They have an entire publishing devision specifically for really really creepy Adult Material for their games (Worse, they do it for extremely important races, so if you want real info, instead of just new tricks, you actually HAVE to get these adults-only books. One of them includes flies and maggots pouring out of all the worst places), and few complain. ...

(Emphasis is mine.)

White Wolf does it "constantly?" And for "extremely important races?"

I don't think so. Over the last 11 or so years that WW has been publishing their Storyteller System games, how many Black Dog books have been there? Not too many - and most of these weren't too important (although most were quite cool, like the Giovanni Chronicles).
The only exception (and apparently also your example - e.g., "flies and maggots") - that is, the only really "important" Black Dog book that I can think of - was Clanbook: Baali, for Vampire: The Dark Ages. And it was hardly the only book to have Baali info: The V: DA core rulebook itself contained the basics of the Baali bloodline, complete with powers for levels 1-5, as well as a sample level 6 power, of their signature discipline. Also, the Dark Ages Companion had quite some stuff on them, too (more discipline powers, info on the infernal, etc.). So you really didn't have to have Clanbook: Baali. (It was, however, a quite good book nonetheless - one of my favorite Clanbooks, actually. I hope that Dark Ages: Vampire will get one that's at least as cool... )

PS - I'm really looking forward to next year's Black Dog book for Exalted, which will detail the Guild, a more detailed economy system, etc.