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5E Sentinel for a rogue with a whip, a shortsword and booming blade and sentinel?

auburn2

Explorer
So I am thinking about this as a strategy. I have a mutli-class warlock rogue and the character has a whip he got with his background, he is proficient in it as a hexblade.

Here is the idea - whip in one hand, short sword in the other. Go in and cast booming blade sneak attack with the shortsword, then disengage as a bonus action and move 10 feet away (still in whip reach). Now the fighter goes in and attacks the same guy from 5 feet. On his turn bad guy can attack the fighter, causing a whip opportunity attack (with another sneak attack) or move to attack me taking booming blade damage and possibly causing an opportunity attack from the fighter.

Also the way I read the rules, I would get dexterity damage bonus for both attacks (action and reaction) since this is not really dual wielding because he is not making an attack as a bonus action.
 

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dnd4vr

The Smurfiest Wizard Ever!
It is a clever idea, but I don't think it works (I could be wrong, I am going off of memory here) because a creature does not provoke if it moves within your reach, only if it leaves it. If the bad guy attacks the fighter, that does not grant you an opportunity attack because Sentinel requires the bad guy to be within 5 feet of you (and you moved to 10 feet away).

With a feature like Hold the Line (Cavalier, level 10) it would provoke an opportunity attack when the bad guy moves within your reach. That would be a feature that would allow this to work as you envision and their are probably others.

However, you would gain full DEX bonus to damage with either weapon since you are not TWF on your turn.

FWIW, using Sentinel with War Caster allows you to make another booming blade attack against the bad guy as an opportunity attack if the bad guy attacks the fighter. It is a nasty combo with sneak attack and shadowblade. :D Right now my rogue does 4d8 + 5d6 + 3 damage with that combo (granted, she is tier 3 now).
 

Mistwell

Legend
Yeah it's Polearm Master which triggers opportunity attacks when you enter reach. "While you are wielding a glaive, halberd, pike, quarterstaff, or spear, other creatures provoke an opportunity attack from you when they enter your reach." Whip doesn't count as a reach weapon.
 

Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
Supporter
Well, yes, the whip does count as a reach weapon, it has reach after all, it just doesn't count as a polearm, which is reasonable. I'm tempted to brew up a separate feat for the whip now that I think about though - I think there are some cool things that could be done there.
 

ninjayeti

Explorer
No because attacking the fighter does not provoke an AoO unless you have the Sentinel feat. Even with Sentinel you need to be to be within 5' not just within reach of the creature making the triggering attack.
 
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auburn2

Explorer
All what I wrote was incomplete. I went back and edited my OP. I was asuming I had sentinel feet:

ninjayeti cleared it up. Sentinel only sorks in 5 feet anyway.
 

Well, yes, the whip does count as a reach weapon, it has reach after all, it just doesn't count as a polearm, which is reasonable. I'm tempted to brew up a separate feat for the whip now that I think about though - I think there are some cool things that could be done there.
An enemy can't really run onto a whip...
 


Coroc

Hero
No, not so much. On the other hand, you try swinging across a pit with a glaive guisarme. Pluses and minus, right?
Indiana uses his whip on the root and easily jumps over the chasm with the lava stream below, Bob hooks into the root protruding from the rocks of the low ceiling but uses his glaive guisarme instead. Unbeknownst to bob the glaive guisarme was actually a vs. plant weapon, so as the Bob rolled the damage to the root the DM added the 3d10 extra unspecified damage vs. plants. Bobs natural 20 on the attack roll also didn't help but he would have fallen anyway even without a crit.
Indiana shouts to the rest of the group: "Our aasimar paladin Bob has fallen!"
 


Mistwell

Legend
Well, yes, the whip does count as a reach weapon, it has reach after all, it just doesn't count as a polearm, which is reasonable. I'm tempted to brew up a separate feat for the whip now that I think about though - I think there are some cool things that could be done there.
Sorry you're right. It's a reach weapon, just not a polearm. And it does deserve it's own feat.

I think a lot of weapons didn't get a feat that ought to. Like the dagger - how is there no dagger feat that allows an effective dagger-thrower PC? I've wanted one since day 1 release.
 

dnd4vr

The Smurfiest Wizard Ever!
Sorry you're right. It's a reach weapon, just not a polearm. And it does deserve it's own feat.

I think a lot of weapons didn't get a feat that ought to. Like the dagger - how is there no dagger feat that allows an effective dagger-thrower PC? I've wanted one since day 1 release.
FWIW here is our homebrew feat to help with dagger-throwers:

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So, for a dagger, your range would become (60/120) and drawing the daggers to throw them are part of the attack action, so with extra attack you could throw up to 5 daggers (level 20 for 4 attacks and TWF bonus attack) on your turn, plus the additional one on the first round using your reaction.
 

Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
Supporter
Sorry you're right. It's a reach weapon, just not a polearm. And it does deserve it's own feat.

I think a lot of weapons didn't get a feat that ought to. Like the dagger - how is there no dagger feat that allows an effective dagger-thrower PC? I've wanted one since day 1 release.
Yeah, I agree, dagger should get something. That said, if you count daggers for SS and XBM it does a pretty sweet job though. Ignore most cover, weak point shots, free offhand throw, and you can huck 'em in HtH should that be necessary, I think it covers most of the bases. I just replace the loading thing for XBW with free draws for additional daggers. The real problem is running out of daggers....
 

TaranTheWanderer

Adventurer
You could get the Sentinal attack if you were directly behind the fighter. So you'd be 5 feet from the fighter but `10 feet from the enemy. You probably would have to attack against cover, though, since the fighter would be in your way...unless diagnal?
 


dnd4vr

The Smurfiest Wizard Ever!
You could get the Sentinal attack if you were directly behind the fighter. So you'd be 5 feet from the fighter but `10 feet from the enemy. You probably would have to attack against cover, though, since the fighter would be in your way...unless diagnal?
LOL, sure that would work great if you wanted to sneak attack the fighter instead of the bad guy! :D

(Otherwise, it still doesn't work since you have to attack the attacking creature that is within 5 feet of you.)
 



Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
Supporter
Bugbear with polearm is where it's at. Actually, scratch that, bugbear grappler is the real win...
Yup, grappling with reach. Mmm Mmm. That said, a Bugbear with Polearm Master is pretty greasy. In a good way.
 

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